when did protestants stop preaching that one could go to hell

[JonNC]

The 2 most outspoken and well known Catholics in the country are Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.
What is confusing is the fact that prominent Catholics like Nancy Pelosi tell other Catholics that it is her Catholic faith that compels her to fight for gay marriage and abortion. The strength of Nancy Pelosi/ Joe Biden Catholicism is proven by the fact that over half of voting Catholics voted for Barack Obama.
Yet, the leaders allow her and people like Joe Biden to continue as if it is not that big of a deal … Stating that we cannot judge.
… yet people are quick to judge those that do not call themselves Catholic … if they do what NP and JB are doing.I know that there are outspoken Catholic clergy that denounce such behavior/ beliefs by those that call themselves Catholic … But they are still considered Catholics and no one really seems to care other that the outspoken few. It seems that the key … is the label …not the belief.

You know, I’m queasy about this. I certainly wouldn’t want all of Lutheranism judged by the actions of, say, George Tiller. I wouldn’t want all of Lutheranism viewed in terms of what the leadership of the ELCA has done regarding gay clergy.

Just saying.

Jon

 

[Zooey]

You know, I’m queasy about this. I certainly wouldn’t want all of Lutheranism judged by the actions of, say, George Tiller. I wouldn’t want all of Lutheranism viewed in terms of what the leadership of the ELCA has done regarding gay clergy.

Just saying.

Jon

I’m with Jon on this.
I don’t think we should judge the Catholic Church based on the folks mentioned. I know there are some :blush:Methodists that I would be delighted to pretend never existed…

 

[1voice]

You know, I’m queasy about this. I certainly wouldn’t want all of Lutheranism judged by the actions of, say, George Tiller. I wouldn’t want all of Lutheranism viewed in terms of what the leadership of the ELCA has done regarding gay clergy.

Just saying.

Jon

I completely agree. I am not judging.
My confusion is that I see members of one expression of Christianity feeling justified in casting doubt on other expressions of Christianity … when they seem to overlook those with tremendous influence that openly/ boldly reject true Christianity within their own ranks … to the point where more than half can follow Nancy Pelosi’s lead and believe pretty much anything they choose and still be defined as part of the body along with her… I know that in theory there is a standard … but in reality more than half the voting Catholics act in a manner that seems to indicate that they firmly believe that Nancy Pelosi sets the standard…

What would Martin Luther do?

 

[farallon]

I don’t think that this is a problem just in Protestant churches. I’ve been attending a Catholic Church with my wife for the past 8 years and I have never once heard the pastor mention Hell. I think that many Priests, pastors and ministers in all Christian denominations are reluctant to talk about the existence of hell and damnation for fear that they will scare people away from the church. Many people in today’s society don’t want to be told that what they do today can have negative effects after they die.

 

[JonNC]

I completely agree. I am not judging.
My confusion is that I see members of one expression of Christianity feeling justified in casting doubt on other expressions of Christianity … when they seem to overlook those with tremendous influence that openly/ boldly reject true Christianity within their own ranks … to the point where more than half can follow Nancy Pelosi’s lead and believe pretty much anything they choose and still be defined as part of the body along with her… I know that in theory there is a standard … but in reality more than half the voting Catholics act in a manner that seems to indicate that they firmly believe that Nancy Pelosi sets the standard…

Thanks for the explanation, but no matter how poorly various individual Catholics may behave, I look to their leaders for what they (are spupposed to) believe. Certainly not Rep. Pelosi or Sen Kerry, or the Vice President.

What would Martin Luther do?

Well, I’m convinced the George Tiller would never have received the Eucharist, and the leaders of that synod would have felt like they needed to hide in a bomb shelter (figuratively, of course).

Jon

 

[stewstew03]

The 2 most outspoken and well known Catholics in the country are Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.

Hyperbole.

Others include:

Cardinal Dolan
Fr. Mitch Pacwa
Mother Angelica

also…

Speaker John Boehner
Rep Paul Ryan
Rep Tim Ryan
Sen. Marco Rubio
Gov. Jeb Bush
Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Sen. Rick Santorum
Speaker Newt Gingrich
Michael Steele (former RNC Chairman)
Gov. Chris Christie
Gov. Sam Brownback
Gov. Bob McDonnell
Gov. Susana Martinez
Gov. Bobby Jindal
Gov. Mike Rounds
Gov. Brian Sandoval
Justice Alito
Justice Scalia
Justice Thomas
Justice Kennedy
Justice Roberts
Laura Ingraham
Sean Hannity
Bill O’Reilly
William F Buckley (now deceased)
Michelle Malkin
Peggy Noonan
Phyllis Schlafly

and many others…

 

[1voice]

The 2 most outspoken and well known Catholics in the country are Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.

Hyperbole.

Others include:

Cardinal Dolan
Fr. Mitch Pacwa
Mother Angelica

also…

Speaker John Boehner
Rep Paul Ryan
Rep Tim Ryan
Sen. Marco Rubio
Gov. Jeb Bush
Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Sen. Rick Santorum
Speaker Newt Gingrich
Michael Steele (former RNC Chairman)
Gov. Chris Christie
Gov. Sam Brownback
Gov. Bob McDonnell
Gov. Susana Martinez
Gov. Bobby Jindal
Gov. Mike Rounds
Gov. Brian Sandoval
Justice Alito
Justice Scalia
Justice Thomas
Justice Kennedy
Justice Roberts
Laura Ingraham
Sean Hannity
Bill O’Reilly
William F Buckley (now deceased)
Michelle Malkin
Peggy Noonan
Phyllis Schlafly

and many others…

All of those and 4.50 will get you a skinny latte with 2 shots at Starbucks … in the last election.

With all that firepower one would think that you guys could come up with a game plan that would convince the majority of Catholic voters to vote for leaders that support Catholic values on at least the most important issue … right to life.

 

[stewstew03]

The 2 most outspoken and well known Catholics in the country are Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.

All of those and 4.50 will get you a skinny latte with 2 shots at Starbucks … in the last election.

With all that firepower one would think that you guys could come up with a game plan that would convince the majority of Catholic voters to vote for leaders that support Catholic values on at least the most important issue … right to life.

Sure, if we could get them to come to Mass more than twice a year.

 

[1voice]

Sure, if we could get them to come to Mass more than twice a year.

if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14

It was right after Abraham Lincoln established and oversaw the first national day of prayer/ confession of sin/ repentance … that the tide turned for the first time during the Civil War … up until then the re Union of the Nation looked like a lost cause.

Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Prayer and repentance are the only thing that will turn the tide … IMHO. Everything else is like the proverbial rearranging of the deck chairs…

 

[PumpkinSeed]

Ive seen more protestants “damning” people to hell more than I have ever heard a Catholic even mention hell.

Protestants may not be as strict as Catholics, but they sure are more straight forward and aggressive.

When I hear catholic doctrine I see “warning” rather than fear. But it is the opposite with the protestants because they are so quick to say “you’re going to hell, and so are you, and you too”.

Whereas a Catholic is more likely to tell you what you need to do to not go there, protestants are usually just going to say you’re going there, rather than tell you what you should do to prevent it.

Of course i could be completely wrong but this is just in my experience.

 

[Roy5]

Ive seen more protestants “damning” people to hell more than I have ever heard a Catholic even mention hell.

Protestants may not be as strict as Catholics, but they sure are more straight forward and aggressive.

When I hear catholic doctrine I see “warning” rather than fear. But it is the opposite with the protestants because they are so quick to say “you’re going to hell, and so are you, and you too”.

Whereas a Catholic is more likely to tell you what you need to do to not go there, protestants are usually just going to say you’re going there, rather than tell you what you should do to prevent it.

Of course i could be completely wrong but this is just in my experience.

This matter of Catholics being stricter than Protestants always has made me curious. Stricter in what way? Many Protestants I know are much stricter when it comes to such matters as alcohol, Sunday 'blue law' observance, gambling and even use of profanity. Is my experience different from that of others?

Generalizing about Protestants is rather like generalizing about Americans - or even about Catholics. Some are strict, some are not. Some focus on hell, some do not. Some believe in a devil who roams the earth, some do not. Some are quite literalistic when it comes to scripture, some are not. Some anticipate the Second Coming, some do not. Etc.  

 This diversity doesn't trouble me. Freedom of religion means just that. The main point was made quite clear by Christ: love God and love one another.

 

[PumpkinSeed]

This matter of Catholics being stricter than Protestants always has made me curious. Stricter in what way? Many Protestants I know are much stricter when it comes to such matters as alcohol, Sunday ‘blue law’ observance, gambling and even use of profanity. Is my experience different from that of others?

Generalizing about Protestants is rather like generalizing about Americans - or even about Catholics. Some are strict, some are not. Some focus on hell, some do not. Some believe in a devil who roams the earth, some do not. Some are quite literalistic when it comes to scripture, some are not. Some anticipate the Second Coming, some do not. Etc.  

 This diversity doesn't trouble me. Freedom of religion means just that. The main point was made quite clear by Christ: love God and love one another.

Once again, it was just from my experience. We all perceive things differently.

 

[Kristin234]

I don’t think that this is a problem just in Protestant churches. I’ve been attending a Catholic Church with my wife for the past 8 years and I have never once heard the pastor mention Hell. I think that many Priests, pastors and ministers in all Christian denominations are reluctant to talk about the existence of hell and damnation for fear that they will scare people away from the church. Many people in today’s society don’t want to be told that what they do today can have negative effects after they die.

I think it just depends on the pastor and their personality too. My pastor is the kind of guy who doesn’t care if preaching something will hurt feelings or get people angry as long as it is the truth and it is from the Bible, so he has done many sermons on the topic of hell. Just a few weeks ago he did a sermon on sin and how sin sends people to hell. He also made sure to bring up sins that he knew would make people uncomfortable such as homosexual relationships, having sexual relationships before marriage, alcoholism and much more.

 

[guanophore]

The 2 most outspoken and well known Catholics in the country are Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.

I recommend you change your channel, 1voice. I have been listening to many outspoken and well known Catholics on Catholic radio. I have not listened to these two apostates say anything. What about lending your ear to a different voice?

With all that firepower one would think that you guys could come up with a game plan that would convince the majority of Catholic voters to vote for leaders that support Catholic values on at least the most important issue … right to life.

Yes, there is a great deal of internal evangelization to be done. That is part of the purpose of CAF. There is also a great resource on this website about voting Catholic. Feel free to give it away to anyone you think needs it.

catholic.com/voteyourfaith