When did race ever become an issue?

[aball1035]

Back in Christ’s time it doesn’t seem as though race was much of an issue, seeing we don’t really know what race He was, or exactly what his skin color looked like, but nowadays it seems as though race is the most important thing to everyone.

The other day I overheard my mother having a conversation with aunt and she said something like “They (white conservatives) don’t like that Obama’s in office because he’s black. They can’t stand a black man being in office, and they didn’t want him to win the election”. That statement really leaves me perplexed. Why does it matter if Obama is black (half black)? Doesn’t anyone care about the man’s politics? Why is it a matter of race?

But to be honest, hearing my mother say something like that really doesn’t surprise me because she relies on stereotypes a lot (despite being Catholic) and is very lax on Church teaching (I almost have to harass her just to get her to go to Mass with me).

When did race become an issue? Why does it matter if you’re black, white, green or orange? Who was the one who started all this and where can I go to have a few words with him? (Don’t worry, I’ve fought off even the slimiest of skeletons before npatrol

Are you asking when it became an issue in European history or for the presidency of the US?

 

[WTerrorist]

Back in Christ’s time it doesn’t seem as though race was much of an issue, seeing we don’t really know what race He was, or exactly what his skin color looked like, but nowadays it seems as though race is the most important thing to everyone.

The other day I overheard my mother having a conversation with aunt and she said something like “They (white conservatives) don’t like that Obama’s in office because he’s black. They can’t stand a black man being in office, and they didn’t want him to win the election”. That statement really leaves me perplexed. Why does it matter if Obama is black (half black)? Doesn’t anyone care about the man’s politics? Why is it a matter of race?

But to be honest, hearing my mother say something like that really doesn’t surprise me because she relies on stereotypes a lot (despite being Catholic) and is very lax on Church teaching (I almost have to harass her just to get her to go to Mass with me).

When did race become an issue? Why does it matter if you’re black, white, green or orange? Who was the one who started all this and where can I go to have a few words with him? (Don’t worry, I’ve fought off even the slimiest of skeletons before npatrol

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[aball1035]

The modern concept of race dates back to the Spanish Inquisition, which was partly motivated by a desire to ferret out Jews who had converted to Christianity yet allegedly secretly practiced Judaism. That was the first time that Jews had been singled out for mistreatment by their race alone not their (proclaimed) religion.

The ancient world didn’t have a concept of race equivalent to the modern one, although they were aware of course that people from different parts of the world looked different. Nevertheless they didn’t think of people as belonging to different discrete races, as a modern person would (even a non-racist one). Nationalities perhaps, but not races.

The discovery of the Americas and its inhabitants also presented a watershed moment in the history of race, as Europeans were not in agreement over whether the Native Americans were truly human. Ultimately the Pope proclaimed the unitary nature of humanity by insisting that Native American Indians had a soul like any other human being.

Modern scientific racism reached its heyday in the Victorian era, in which racism was regarded as legitimate science (as was phrenology to which it was tangentially linked) and humanity was thought to consist of superior and inferior sub-groups rather than sharing a single genetic patrimony. It’s largely been discredited now, in no small part due to the policies of the Third Reich. There are still a few holdouts in anthropology departments such as Vincent Sarich of UCal Berkeley.

Added: Jesus was a Middle-Eastern Jew so he probably looked something like modern-day Sephardic Jews like Neil Sedaka or Isaac Mizrahi.

This is all good info which many people don’t quite get. They seem to equate racism as always being there with the ‘evil’ Catholic Church.

Also, I think while racism got it’s roots during the Spanish Inquisition, it really got it’s kick start in Europe during the so called Enlightenment. Religion (whether Catholic, Protestant or Jewish) was starting to become obsolete and nationalism was used to fill the void.

 

[onmywayagain]

When did Mexican become a race??? When did Japanese become a race??? When did African American become a race??? When did Caucasion become a race???

ANSWER- It hasn’t…Those are ethnicities not races. There is only one race. The HUMAN RACE.

 

[DaveBj]

When did Mexican become a race??? When did Japanese become a race??? When did African American become a race??? When did Caucasion become a race???

ANSWER- It hasn’t…Those are ethnicities not races. There is only one race. The HUMAN RACE.

I believe that. The problem is that those who don’t believe it outnumber those of us who do by a whole bunch. And even if the majority did come to believe it, they would just change the label from “racism” to “ethnicism” (or some similar word), and the big problem would still be there.

DaveBj

 

[tommcguire]

Racism was the reason Augustine Tolton, who was an enslaved child but became free during the Civil war, could not find a seminary to accept him as a candidate for the Catholic priesthood. He finally was ordained a priest in Rome for the missions outside the United States, but was assigned instead to work in the United States. His whole ministry as a priest was marked by the most serious forms of racism.

Cardinal George of Chicago has proposed Fr. Augustine Tolton be made a saint of the Catholic Church.

I have listened to many Catholics of African American heritage tell of how they were not welcome in the Catholic Church. Yes, unfortunately even today people experience the sin of racism in the Catholic Church. For example, when one is not chosen for a position of responsibility in the Church only because of the color of the person’s skin.

Many Catholic religious communities used enslaved people in the United States. Read the history of the Catholic Church in Maryland prior to the Civil War.

Please read the history of racism in the United States, I am sure you will have to agree that the sin of racism has been and is a part of our history.

I pray the light of Christ may shine on us as we are healed of this terrible sin that is part of the structure of our society in the United States. Isaiah said: “…satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noon day.” Is 58:10

 

[TheRealJuliane]

“Race” has always been an issue.
A LOT of people do not like Obama because he’s not 100% white though many of them try to gloss over it with other issues. I hear that particular racist talk often. If he was a 100% white guy conservatives still would not like him but race would not be one of the reasons. Plenty of libs do not like Obama for the race thing either.
Further, one must ask, if Obama was an old white guy, would he have gotten the voter turnout he did? I think not.
Food for thought.
My :twocents:.

Everyone that I talk to, who is black, tell me outright that they voted for Obama because he is black (he is actually mixed-race, but I guess to racists, that’s good enough). They have no shame in telling me this and actually they celebrate it. They seem to have the impression that only white people can be racist. White liberals also voted for him because he is black. So to my conclusions, this is the first president elected through racism primarily. We know he is not qualified in any way for the office he holds. We also know that not one Catholic should have voted for him, because he fully supports abortion and thinks that a baby is a “punishment.” He voted to deny any medical care, even merely palliative, to a baby born alive during an abortion. That’s damn evil if I ever heard of it.

The black community is at heart, at least as conservative in morals as any other faith-based community. The slaves were family oriented and believed in God and morality. In fact, we had little racial divide (except in the South) as far as family structure until the welfare explosion thanks to Lyndon Johnson in the 1960’s. That, and the eugenics of legalized abortion, destroyed the black family like a targeted nuclear bomb.

Now we are dealing with generations of people who have been victimized by their own government and political party, yet return over and over again for more. Slavery has not ended, it’s just gone underground into the Democrat party. (The party of the KKK) Star Parker calls it “The government plantation.”

 

[mdrummer5]

Everyone that I talk to, who is black, tell me outright that they voted for Obama because he is black (he is actually mixed-race, but I guess to racists, that’s good enough). They have no shame in telling me this and actually they celebrate it.

I remember prior to the election all the news coverage concerning race in the election and recall several black people saying that they were voting for him because he’s black… one even saying he had NEVER voted until he saw a black man running.

When did Mexican become a race??? When did Japanese become a race??? When did African American become a race??? When did Caucasion become a race???

ANSWER- It hasn’t…Those are ethnicities not races. There is only one race. The HUMAN RACE.

While I agree with this and appreciate the sentiment… it’s a matter of semantics.

 

[manualman]

One can argue that the Dems give lip service to black constituents, but REALLY want to prepetuate black poverty and misery in order to continue their reliable victim voting block status. That’s a remotely plausible conspiracy theory as to why so many welfare programs were so structurally destructive. But the SAME logic applies to supposedly pro-life republican presidents who put pro-choice Supreme Court justices on the court (think about it).

As to the OP, I think racism got its start at the Tower of Babel. Once groups stopped understanding each other, they divided into “Us” and “Them” groups.

 

[tomarin]

As to the OP, I think racism got its start at the Tower of Babel. Once groups stopped understanding each other, they divided into “Us” and “Them” groups.

But that’s linguistic separation. Race is supposed to be something inherently biological.

 

[manualman]

But that’s linguistic separation. Race is supposed to be something inherently biological.

Most racism is really more culturism at heart (IMO). Ask any middle age white suburban guy if he’d be more alarmed to find himself in a dark alley with someone who dresses and speaks like Barack Obama or Snoop Dog…

Racism grows out of culturism.

 

[tommcguire]

The Tower of Babel (Genesis 10-11) is about separation of people into identifiable groups. The separation results in a denial of the universal relationship as brothers and sisters under God. Racism is one of those ways we separate one group from another, in this case color of skin is the mark of difference.

I live in Detroit, Michigan most of my neighbors are African American. We live in harmony with one another. But today few suburban white people consider it safe to come to my neighborhood for a visit. THIS IS RACISM. Racism is alive today. It continues the separation begun in the story of the Tower of Babel.

Please read Article 431 Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church: "In the definitive witness of love that God has made manifest in the cross of Christ, all the barriers of enmity have already been torn down, and for those who live a new life in Christ, racial and cultural differences are no longer causes of division.

Our reflection here should be asking the question: Are we living the new life in Christ? If we are what can we do to give witness to the love of God that has ended enmity.

 

[tomarin]

Most racism is really more culturism at heart (IMO). Ask any middle age white suburban guy if he’d be more alarmed to find himself in a dark alley with someone who dresses and speaks like Barack Obama or Snoop Dog…

Racism grows out of culturism.

I think what you’re talking about is racial discrimination, MM. I was talking about race as an intellectual concept, which is a (discredited) theory that definitely involves biology and even human speciation.

 

[GEddie]

I think what you’re talking about is racial discrimination, MM. I was talking about race as an intellectual concept, which is a (discredited) theory that definitely involves biology and even human speciation.

That probably began with the scientific revolution (1650 ff?), which roughly coincided with the appearance in the European countries of members of other “races” from Asia and the New World.

The human speciation part probably began after Darwin.

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