When Did Rome Go Wrong?

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Huh…and here after all these years I thought it was “beauty?” go figure…😃
GKC said:
I see it as a nod to efficiency and single-mindedness. Credit where credit is due.

But, sure, special pleading is often in the eye of the beholder.

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josie_L said:
That’s not how the Catholic Church works, nor do I understand your use of the word “logically”?
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Logically, he could proclaim the teaching (not infallibly) by virtue of teaching under the Ordinary Magisterium (not the Universal Ordinary Magisterium).

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GKC said:
I see it as a nod to efficiency and single-mindedness. Credit where credit is due.

But, sure, special pleading is often in the eye of the beholder.

GKC
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I think it ridiculous to assert that Mary is “bloody” while Elizabeth who had the benefit of outlasting her sister is not, even though she perpetuated untold damage against the Catholics in Ireland and England with her draconian measures.

p.s. Calling Elizabeth I the “virgin” queen attests to Protestant bias. 😃
 
josie_L said:
I think it ridiculous to assert that Mary is “bloody” while Elizabeth who had the benefit of outlasting her sister is not, even though she perpetuated untold damage against the Catholics in Ireland and England with her draconian measures.

p.s. Calling Elizabeth I the “virgin” queen attests to Protestant bias. 😃
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Ah. What do you know that we don’t? Tell!

GKC
 
GKC said:
Logically, he could proclaim the teaching (not infallibly) by virtue of teaching under the Ordinary Magisterium (not the Universal Ordinary Magisterium).

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He could not “logically” proclaim a teaching out of thin air???
 
josie_L said:
He could not “logically” proclaim a teaching out of thin air???
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Many teachings under the Ordinary Magisterium are already defined. But not, as I have read, all such. Hence, they are not ordinarily (nice use of the term) infallible.

Tell what you know.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Ah. What do you know that we don’t? Tell!

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GKC, stop pulling my leg, i.e., it is more than apparent that Catholics (of which there were many in England) suffered greatly under Elizabeth.
 
josie_L said:
GKC, stop pulling my leg, i.e., it is more than apparent that Catholics (of which there were many in England) suffered greatly under Elizabeth.
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Absolutely true.

Read Hogge’s GOD’S SECRET AGENTS, not long ago. I recommend it.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Many teachings under the Ordinary Magisterium are already defined. But not, as I have read, all such. Hence, they are not ordinarily (nice use of the term) infallible.

Tell what you know.

GKC
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There is little to no evidence for believing that the Church (including Leo) taught this (for the various reasons I have mentioned), this is what I find illogical.
 
josie_L said:
There is little to no evidence for believing that the Church (including Leo) taught this (for the various reasons I have mentioned), this is what I find illogical.
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But my point is still: Was he teaching? If so, what?

Hard to tell. But I find my possible conclusion at least passably logical.

GKC
 
GKC said:
But my point is still: Was he teaching? If so, what?

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Objection, Your Honor! Asked and answered!
PRmerger said:
Yes, it was a teaching to the entire Church about the heresies promulgated by Luther.

I condemn, reprobate, and reject completely each of these theses or errors as either heretical, scandalous, false, offensive to pious ears or seductive of simple minds, and against Catholic truth.

Nothing more and nothing less. 🤷
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josie_L said:
Telling Luther he was a HERETIC! 😃
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Originally Posted by PRmerger
Indeed it is, but it must be understood with some nuance, of course.
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Capital punishment is not forbidden by the CC.
CP for heretics? Perhaps not, as there are other means of correction. But, woe to them!
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Indeed, Scripture is quite clear that heresy is a very serious entity.
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To promote heresy within the Church is rather like the sin of Korah’s rebellion (cf. Num 16) which Jude warned against:
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Jude 10-11 “…these men revile whatever they do not understand…Woe to them! For they…perish in Korah’s rebellion.”
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Luther and Korah seem to have been brothers in their rebellion. TAnd things did not fare too well for Korah–as decreed by God, no less!
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PRmerger said:
And I thought I answered it.

"And my answer to what Catholics ought to understand that 11-word sentence to mean is: heretics hurt the Church. Heretics are wrong. Heretics need to be stopped. That is the will of the Holy Spirit."
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