When did the church music change?

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First have to say I love praise and worship music, and also traditional gospel music. Definetly has its place.

But when did the hymms get phased out . I am a shy guy and dont even dance at a club. I just dont see myself “getting down” at church in dance… When did all the drums, and techno lighting start going into the churches. I know it didnt begin with luther.

But I am just curious when the High definition projection screens started getting installed. Is this something from the late 1800’s or something of the last 20 or 30 years.

I was visiting a great church over the weekend , I was taken in by the spiral lighting . I dont even think “raves” have as good lighting as some churches.
 
It started in the 20th century and I think most of it is just plain awful.
 
tweetiebird said:
First have to say I love praise and worship music, and also traditional gospel music. Definetly has its place.

But when did the hymms get phased out . I am a shy guy and dont even dance at a club. I just dont see myself “getting down” at church in dance… When did all the drums, and techno lighting start going into the churches. I know it didnt begin with luther.

But I am just curious when the High definition projection screens started getting installed. Is this something from the late 1800’s or something of the last 20 or 30 years.

I was visiting a great church over the weekend , I was taken in by the spiral lighting . I dont even think “raves” have as good lighting as some churches.
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Its a performance, not praise and worship.
 
I went to a ‘life teen’ mass…it was like electric guitar, I think a bass, someone tapping a box thing…
I could not focus on the mass, as prude as it sounds I was upset. In the presene of the eaucharist there should be more reverence and seriousness. I have been to the Latin Mass 3 times, and it seems much more ‘appropriate’

Music has its place and time.
 
It gets worse: during the Youth Mass at the local parish, the congregation routinely applauds the teenage choir. Just like a school performance. Computer screens floating down from the ceiling, drums and boom boom music.
I simply cannot cope with it, if I can’t make it to the Latin Mass - which is an hour’s drive from my home - I don’t go to Mass at all. It was making me so tense and stressed, and that is not the correct attitude for attending Mass.
 
tweetiebird said:
First have to say I love praise and worship music, and also traditional gospel music. Definetly has its place.

But when did the hymms get phased out . I am a shy guy and dont even dance at a club. I just dont see myself “getting down” at church in dance… When did all the drums, and techno lighting start going into the churches. I know it didnt begin with luther.

But I am just curious when the High definition projection screens started getting installed. Is this something from the late 1800’s or something of the last 20 or 30 years.

I was visiting a great church over the weekend , I was taken in by the spiral lighting . I dont even think “raves” have as good lighting as some churches.
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It started soon after the end of Vatican 2, it came, more or less automatically, with permission to use the vernacular when celebrating Mass. Before then most of the music was in Latin.

Linus2nd
 
The vision of Pope Leo XIII keeps flashing in my head…
 
I was formerly in a parish where there was alot of clapping and our priest would make people stand up if it was their birthday and have the choir sing “Happy Birthday” to them. I found another parish that doesn’t have such distasteful things. However I deeply crave for a Latin Mass. The closest one is 2 hours away. If I could attend a Latin Mass parish, I would in a heartbeat, however, I don’t have any choice but to stay where I am. As I said, no liturgical tomfoolery but I wish people weren’t so obsessed with David Haas and all these cheesy hymns. I would die just to hear a Latin chant during communion! Regardless of it all I am so grateful that this new parish least they follow the rubrics!

I think if every parish celebrated Mass like they did on EWTN, people wouldn’t have so many problems.
 
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tweetiebird:
First have to say I love praise and worship music, and also traditional gospel music. Definetly has its place.

But when did the hymms get phased out . I am a shy guy and dont even dance at a club. I just dont see myself “getting down” at church in dance… When did all the drums, and techno lighting start going into the churches. I know it didnt begin with luther.

But I am just curious when the High definition projection screens started getting installed. Is this something from the late 1800’s or something of the last 20 or 30 years.

I was visiting a great church over the weekend , I was taken in by the spiral lighting . I dont even think “raves” have as good lighting as some churches.
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The drums came with other ethnic traditions who did not see percussion in its base form as something bad or distasteful. As America is a melting pot the Ameican church was able to add drummers and from there American popular culture, including church culture spread world wide.

Electronic instruments are just a cheaper and more easily control alternative to large pressurized wind instruments. And light shows are a technological improvement over natural sunlight beaming through stained glass

As for hymns, well instruction methods have also changed along with recorded church music becoming commercially available. Song writers and arrangers tend to produce what will sell, and for the past century that has changed from sheet music for local bands to play to recordings by generally higher skilled profes[SIGN][/SIGN]sionals

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tweetiebird said:
First have to say I love praise and worship music, and also traditional gospel music. Definetly has its place.

But when did the hymms get phased out . I am a shy guy and dont even dance at a club. I just dont see myself “getting down” at church in dance… When did all the drums, and techno lighting start going into the churches. I know it didnt begin with luther.

But I am just curious when the High definition projection screens started getting installed. Is this something from the late 1800’s or something of the last 20 or 30 years.

I was visiting a great church over the weekend , I was taken in by the spiral lighting . I dont even think “raves” have as good lighting as some churches.
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Just a small note. 🙂 Drums, cymbals, harps and string intruments were commonly used in the OT during liturgical worship especially during the time of King David. He was famously reprimanded by Michal for dancing for the Lord. She was cursed barren as a result, a severe consequence those days.
 
bluecake said:
It gets worse: during the Youth Mass at the local parish, the congregation routinely applauds the teenage choir. Just like a school performance. Computer screens floating down from the ceiling, drums and boom boom music.
I simply cannot cope with it, if I can’t make it to the Latin Mass - which is an hour’s drive from my home - I don’t go to Mass at all. It was making me so tense and stressed, and that is not the correct attitude for attending Mass.
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I wouldnt miss mass for the music…
 
Maria1993 said:
I wouldnt miss mass for the music…
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In my church it has been reiterated not to clap after the songs. Any of the songs during the Mass (which should be the case anyway). However, we can commend the choir and band privately and individually later after Mass and after the final hymn.

MJ
 
Interesting thread. The Protestant churches I’ve attended over the years always had an approved hymnal from which all our music came. I frankly don’t remember the music used at a Catholic church I attended for several months while looking into various churches a few years ago, but I take it there’s no one hymnal used by Catholics in any given country?
 
My experiences of Roman churches have thankfully been limited to either the Novus Ordo in Latin or English with classic Protestant hymnody (Wesley, Watts, etc.) or the 1962 Mass in Latin which, although I don’t find it as edifying, and a little bit too showy, is at least dignified and rubrically rigid.
 
Just about anything is an improvement over the poorly-written and poorly-performed 19th century hymnals in the Protestant churches I’ve attended. At least the services in some megachurches (lots of 'em here in Texas, with a stage, rock music, lights and effects) are somewhat entertaining.
 
rtechie said:
Just about anything is an improvement over the poorly-written and poorly-performed 19th century hymnals in the Protestant churches I’ve attended. At least the services in some megachurches (lots of 'em here in Texas, with a stage, rock music, lights and effects) are somewhat entertaining.
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You must be joking. Which hymns stick out to you as ‘poorly written’? Further, some of us prefer to sing than stare at professional musicians strumming out guitar solos presumbaly to the glory of God.
 
rtechie said:
Just about anything is an improvement over the poorly-written and poorly-performed 19th century hymnals in the Protestant churches I’ve attended. At least the services in some megachurches (lots of 'em here in Texas, with a stage, rock music, lights and effects) are somewhat entertaining.
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You clearly have the wrong priorities when it comes to liturgical music for right worship. (As a non-Christian I would not expect you to understand this.) Liturgical worship is not about entertainment at all. It is about giving all glory to God in solemn worship. Holy Church has written extensively on the subject of sacred music and has expressed her wishes clearly for all to read. Choice of music is not a matter of taste but a matter of objective quality that can be measured.
 
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And light shows are a technological improvement over natural sunlight beaming through stained glass
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how does one improve on God’s creation of the sun streaming through ANYTHING? 🤷
I mean…don’t get me wrong, I love my technology, but flashing light shows can’t hold a candle to the sun streaming through the stained glass onto the altar during the consecration on a Saturday evening vigil Mass…👍:bowdown:
 
I am just as impressed by the engineers of our grandfathers being able to design glass and buildings to take advantage of the prevailing natural light as I am with present day engineers being able to use lasers, even in situations when the environment blocks, sun, moon and starlight. Just as I honor the grandfathers who were able to move compressed gas through pipes as I am present day musicians and engineers who use MIDI controllers to honor their Lord.
 
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