When did the "early Christians become Catholic"

[Hisalone]

By your very existence you are.If not for the Catholic Church you would not even be Christian as there would be no Christianity.

Also having read your posts I find your assertion quite risible and amusing as YOU seem to be protesting against Catholicism quite vehemently.Much more than the average Lutheran,Anglican,Presbyterian,etc.Most Fundamentalists who post here are the most protesting non-Catholic Christians I’ve ever run across.

I have things against the RCC. I assert them in many of my posts. There are those that are not protesting but affirming their beliefs. Read “Capericus and the Jews” just as everyone was wrong to believe that the earth was the center of the universe Catholics are wrong to believe that their institution is the center of of what God is doing. Lets get back on topic.

 

[Soutane]

The person of Christ is what has brought Christianity into existence; no church ever brought anything into existence; this is the work of the God of the Bible.

Christ founded the Catholic Church which was to continue and has continued his mission of spreading the gospel and the good news since His Resurrection.Had Christ not founded the Catholic Church there would not be Christianity in any form nor would you have received the Bible or at least part of it.Don’t try to deny historical fact.No Catholic Church,no Protestant so-called Reformation,no denominated protesting eclaisiastical bodies,no non-denominational faiths.To assert otherwise is silly and beneath you.

I had also asked you to refrain from addressing me until you apologised for your odious unChristian judgemental insult that I did not know God and did not have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit.As I indicated I have forgiven you but that did not negate temporal punishment which is why I reported you to the forum administrator(which you also pm’d me about calling me a hypocrite)

Are you prepared to act like a man and profer a public apology?After all you did insult me publicly.

 

[NDfan]

Sorry to disagree.The birth of the Catholic Church came with the institution of the Eucharist at the Last Supper.The “breaking of the bread” by the earliest Catholics was the receipt of the Holy Eucharist as we know it today.

Well I say catholic small “c” referring to the universal church that certainly started immediately.

NDFan you are too intelligent to believe the Constantine slur or that there were "other Christians"in hiding for the first 1500 years.That sounds like "trail of Blood"Baptist nonsense which even most Baptists believe is bogus.

I appreciate the vote of confidence but I don’t recall stating I believe the Constantine slur. Unless you are referring to the “C” in Constantine’s name. Make no mistake I certainly don’t believe this. When I say capital “C” I refer to the label of the Catholic church capital “C” meaning what eventually formed more formally after separating itself from all the heresy. Many Christian groups considered themselves as part of the universal church but did not hold to the Orthodox beliefs that were defined over time. That certainly did not happen at the last supper.

PEACE

 

[Soutane]

Well I say catholic small “c” referring to the universal church that certainly started immediately.

I appreciate the vote of confidence but I don’t recall stating I believe the Constantine slur. Unless you are referring to the “C” in Constantine’s name. Make no mistake I certainly don’t believe this. When I say capital “C” I refer to the label of the Catholic church capital “C” meaning what eventually formed more formally after separating itself from all the heresy. Many Christian groups considered themselves as part of the universal church but did not hold to the Orthodox beliefs that were defined over time. That certainly did not happen at the last supper.

PEACE

I know where you’re coming from and while I may disagree I mean no offense and I’m sure you do not either.

 

[Soutane]

I have things against the RCC. I assert them in many of my posts. There are those that are not protesting but affirming their beliefs. Read “Capericus and the Jews” just as everyone was wrong to believe that the earth was the center of the universe Catholics are wrong to believe that their institution is the center of of what God is doing. Lets get back on topic.

So say you.I disagree As do ALL Catholics.By all means let us return to the OP.

 

[NDfan]

I know where you’re coming from and while I may disagree I mean no offense and I’m sure you do not either.

Soutane I certainly mean no offense. Just wanted to understand and clarify the “C” implication.

PEACE

 

[elvisman]

Soutane I certainly mean no offense. Just wanted to understand and clarify the “C” implication.

PEACE

NDfan, my friend - how’s it goin’!

**Just a thought - **
When I read all of this capital and lowercase stuff it reminds me that this wasn’t and isn’t always the case.
**In many ancient text - “god” isn’t even capitalized. In some languages, this is a relatively new thing. In other languages, there are no Capitals or lowercase. **

The reason I bring this up is because “catholic church” and “Catholic Church” have always been the same entity and always meant the same thing - regardless of whichever vernacular you’re speaking or writing in.

Thanks for always being charitable.

 

[elvisman]

I have things against the RCC. I assert them in many of my posts. There are those that are not protesting but affirming their beliefs. Read “Capericus and the Jews” just as everyone was wrong to believe that the earth was the center of the universe Catholics are wrong to believe that their institution is the center of of what God is doing. Lets get back on topic.

Actually - geocentrism is sti*ll in debate and some scientists adhere to it.*
To say that everybody who believes this is wrong is to discount all theories and debates regarding the subjet.

PS - Read Acts 9:4-5.
Jesus identifies himself with the Church - his only Church at the time. that’s how important the Church is because Jesus cannot be separated from it.

 

[Seeking12]

Christ founded the Catholic Church which was to continue and has continued his mission of spreading the gospel and the good news since His Resurrection.Had Christ not founded the Catholic Church there would not be Christianity in any form nor would you have received the Bible or at least part of it.Don’t try to deny historical fact.No Catholic Church,no Protestant so-called Reformation,no denominated protesting eclaisiastical bodies,no non-denominational faiths.To assert otherwise is silly and beneath you.

I had also asked you to refrain from addressing me until you apologised for your odious unChristian judgemental insult that I did not know God and did not have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit.As I indicated I have forgiven you but that did not negate temporal punishment which is why I reported you to the forum administrator(which you also pm’d me about calling me a hypocrite)

Are you prepared to act like a man and profer a public apology?After all you did insult me publicly.

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Please show all of us your claims from Scripture concerning the origin of the “Catholic Church”.

You have also violated the rules by bringing forth administrative actions in the forum.

You really need to learn what forgiveness really means; as your actions speak contrary to your words.**

 

[NDfan]

NDfan, my friend - how’s it goin’!

**Just a thought - **
When I read all of this capital and lowercase stuff it reminds me that this wasn’t and isn’t always the case.
In many ancient text - "god" isn’t even capitalized. In some languages, this is a relatively new thing. In other languages, there are no Capitals or lowercase.

The reason I bring this up is because "catholic church" and “Catholic Church” have always been the same entity and always meant the same thing - regardless of whichever vernacular you’re speaking or writing in.

Thanks for always being charitable.

Elvis my brother pretty good

I agree with you. Catholic church whether it be “C” or “c” has always meant the same thing. I guess in my head I’m trying to separate the heresy aspect of those that called themselves part of the universal church in the early 2nd century. I think your point is that the heretics were never part of the Catholic church whether it be “C” or “c” since their beliefs were not consistent with the Catholic church. Would that be a fair statement?

PEACE Bro!!

 

[NDfan]

Actually - geocentrism is* sti*ll in debate and some scientists adhere to it.
To say that everybody who believes this is wrong is to discount all theories and debates regarding the subjet.

Elvis this is so interesting as I just had a discussion about this with someone. I saw an excellent program on TBN where a presentation was made around geocentrism and the value it had in debates over the age of the earth. Basically as I understood it the professor claimed that in taking certain measurements at various points outward they somehow can conclude or prove the earth is at the absolute center of the universe.

In arguing the age of the earth scientists who push for a much older age usually will point to elements like the age of certain stars. The scientists on TBN explained that this would make sense because the farther away from the earth you are apparently time travels faster almost like riding a merry go round. If you stand in the middle of it you are barely turning but once you reach the outside you are moving much faster. So the earth at the center is say 10 thousand years old but something at the outer edge of the universe would then potentially be several million years old.

I may have botched up the explanation but it was quite fascinating.

PEACE

 

[Soutane]

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Please show all of us your claims from Scripture concerning the origin of the “Catholic Church”.

You have also violated the rules by bringing forth administrative actions in the forum.

You really need to learn what forgiveness really means; as your actions speak contrary to your words.**

You prove the contrary as you challenge historical fact.Catholics do not subscribe to the heresy of sola scriptura.I violated no rules at all,I simply recorded the additional insult of hypocrite,to let all and sundry know why I am justifiably vexed with you.

.I have no idea whether you got your knuckles rapped by the admins,although if you did you thoroughly deserved it.Unless and until you apologise for your series of gratuitous and grevious personal insults I abjure you from addressing me.Your refusal to recognise your offense and your willful refusal to apologise for same is in my opinion contemptible and beneath someone who claims to follow Christ.

Again-no apology-don’t address me.

 

[Seeking12]

You prove the contrary as you challenge historical fact.Catholics do not subscribe to the heresy of sola scriptura.I violated no rules at all,I simply recorded the additional insult of hypocrite,to let all and sundry know why I am justifiably vexed with you.

.I have no idea whether you got your knuckles rapped by the admins,although if you did you thoroughly deserved it.Unless and until you apologise for your series of gratuitous and grevious personal insults I abjure you from addressing me.Your refusal to recognise your offense and your willful refusal to apologise for same is in my opinion contemptible and beneath someone who claims to follow Christ.

Again-no apology-don’t address me.

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That is a great distraction; but try answering the question if you are able. You also made another claim; that is that sola scriptura is a heresy; please elaborate and show this; again only if you are able. I’m sorry that the obvious offended you.**

 

[Soutane]

Forgiveness does not erase penalties incurred for transgressions.I can forgive someone who physically assaults me but he’s still going to jail.

 

[Hisalone]

You prove the contrary as you challenge historical fact.Catholics do not subscribe to the heresy of sola scriptura.I violated no rules at all,I simply recorded the additional insult of hypocrite,to let all and sundry know why I am justifiably vexed with you.

.I have no idea whether you got your knuckles rapped by the admins,although if you did you thoroughly deserved it.Unless and until you apologise for your series of gratuitous and grevious personal insults I abjure you from addressing me.Your refusal to recognise your offense and your willful refusal to apologise for same is in my opinion contemptible and beneath someone who claims to follow Christ.

Again-no apology-don’t address me.

I do not in any of the post see him use the word hypocrite.

 

[Hisalone]

You prove the contrary as you challenge historical fact.Catholics do not subscribe to the heresy of sola scriptura.I violated no rules at all,I simply recorded the additional insult of hypocrite,to let all and sundry know why I am justifiably vexed with you.

.I have no idea whether you got your knuckles rapped by the admins,although if you did you thoroughly deserved it.Unless and until you apologise for your series of gratuitous and grevious personal insults I abjure you from addressing me.Your refusal to recognise your offense and your willful refusal to apologise for same is in my opinion contemptible and beneath someone who claims to follow Christ.

Again-no apology-don’t address me.

Can you demonstrate anything other than the scriptures that we would say is the word of God?
What do you mean by the Constatine slur?

 

[Hisalone]

Actually - geocentrism is* sti*ll in debate and some scientists adhere to it.
To say that everybody who believes this is wrong is to discount all theories and debates regarding the subjet.

PS - Read Acts 9:4-5.
Jesus identifies himself with the Church - his only Church at the time. that’s how important the Church is because Jesus cannot be separated from it.

Jesus identifies Himself with His assembly which is **all those **who in His body.
So you are claiming that geocenticism is open for debate?

 

[distracted]

Lots of protestants seem to be happy with the early teaching of the chirch and call those that were involved the first Christians etc but never seem able to attribute the collation and protection of the bible or anything else that is good to the Catholic church. So what i was wondering is when do non catholics see as Catholicism starting?

it seems this is a rhetorical question for Catholics, but not Protestants… who have a different date depending on what denom they are…

but anyway, i believe the Church began with the Incarnation… but i think it began, offcially, with Pentecost, when the Apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit…

this is ***one thing i like abaout Protestants ***(some of them): They believe in being filled with the Holy Spirit… not sure all Catholics do…( ?)

 

[elvisman]

Jesus identifies Himself with His assembly which is **all those **who in His body.
So you are claiming that geocenticism is open for debate?

First of all - Jesus asked Saul why he was persecuting HIM.
Saul was persecuting the Church - not an “assembly”.

Lastly, geocentricm is very much alive and in debate these days.
Google “geocentrism debate” and you’ll see what I mean.
You cannot go around saying that all those who believe in this are wrong unless you have proof.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

The Early church was being persecuted. Do you honestly believe that they could just call a council to order publicly? Constantine legalized Christianity.

As for the Early Church Fathers - apparently you haven’t read much. You should - there’s a lot there, my anti-Catholic friend:
Ignatius of Antioch
You [the See of Rome] have envied no one, but others have you taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instructions may remain in force** (Epistle to the Romans 3:1 [A.D. 110]).**

Irenaeus
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [inter A.D. 180-190]).

Cyprian
With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the Chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (Epistle to Cornelius [Bishop of Rome] 59:14 [A.D. 252]).

Optatus
In the city of Rome the Episcopal chair was given first to Peter, the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head — that is why he is also called Cephas — of all the apostles, the one chair in which unity is maintained by all. Neither do the apostles proceed individually on their own, and anyone who would [presume to] set up another chair in opposition to that single chair would, by that very fact, be a schismatic and a sinner. . . . Recall, then, the origins of your chair, those of you who wish to claim for yourselves the title of holy Church" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [circa A.D. 367]).

Ummm . . .shall I go on?

Please refrain from labels such as "Roman church". It’s a derogatory term and against forum rules.

As for "different interpretations", one need only to hop from Protestant church to Protestant church to feed from a smorgasbord of differing, bickering beliefs.

1. I am not your anti-Catholic friend, since I am not anti-Catholic. Please refrain from such language.
2. I, like many others here cannot read your bright blue and red interjections. It is impossible to follow, and I will not read your posts constructed as such.
3. There is nothing wrong with Roman Catholic or Roman Church. Neither appelation is rude or unseemly. They are meant to differentiate you from the EO, and other Catholic churches in the world who also claim to be Catholic and have primacy as the true church, as well as Anglicans, Lutherans and others who claim Catholic as appelation by virtue of apostolic succession.