When did we start reading OT in mass?

[SMHW]

I was not saying there was “no” scripture teaching. Outside of mass, bible study was minimal before Vatican II and shortly thereafter until changes began to be implemented. Most religious education was from the Baltimore catechism and such. It was not about learning the Bible.

This is no doubt true as to more literary style based critiques of the various biblical books and the intentions of the various authors. But there had long been study of the history portrayed by the Bible and the lessons to be learned from it There may not have been much emphasis on navigating one’s way through the Bible . But Catholics who were educated about they Faith knew a far amount about the content of the Bible, even if they didn’t realize where that content came from.

 

[benedictgal]

I was not saying there was “no” scripture teaching. Outside of mass, bible study was minimal before Vatican II and shortly thereafter until changes began to be implemented. Most religious education was from the Baltimore catechism and such. It was not about learning the Bible.

And you base your statements on what?

 

[mo3]

And you base your statements on what?

Personal experience, 12 years of Catholic school. I was taught by priests and nuns. They never taught using the Bible and I was never asked to read from the Bible. I have talked with many others who had the same experience.

 

[malphono]

I was not saying there was “no” scripture teaching. Outside of mass, bible study was minimal before Vatican II and shortly thereafter until changes began to be implemented. Most religious education was from the Baltimore catechism and such. It was not about learning the Bible.

One thing peaks my curiosity: what kind of “Bible study” do you mean?

 

[benedictgal]

Personal experience, 12 years of Catholic school. I was taught by priests and nuns. They never taught using the Bible and I was never asked to read from the Bible. I have talked with many others who had the same experience.

I went through nine years of Catholic schooling at a school run by the Salesians. We learned about the Bible (obviously, in an elementary version, but we still learned). We learned about the two pillars of the Church, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. We even had to illustrate the miracles of Jesus and act them out.

In college, I was part of a parish that had Bible study classes and Lectio Divina.

If your school had Mass, you read from the Bible because the readings are all culled from Sacred Scripture.

As an adult, I have taken three diocesan scriptural study classes.

Part and parcel of reading the Bible is taking the initiative.

 

[Palaeologos]

One thing peaks my curiosity: what kind of “Bible study” do you mean?

I assume he means the study of Scripture by the laity. He’s correct in that, though of course the clergy was required to study Scripture and many of them were respected scholars of the original languages.

 

[malphono]

I assume he means the study of Scripture by the laity.

Yes, my assumption was the same. That’s why I asked the question.

He’s correct in that, though of course the clergy was required to study Scripture and many of them were respected scholars of the original languages.

It’s evident from posts in this thread that others have had differing experiences.

 

[mo3]

One thing peaks my curiosity: what kind of “Bible study” do you mean?

I mean Bible study by the laity and for developing Catholics. I know in the last 20 years Bible study has become more popular among Catholics but when I was in school in the 1960’s & 1970’s, it was not. I came from a very devout Catholic family and we were taught most of the Church teachings. However, reading and studying scripture outside of mass did not happen. This is not uncommon for people my age.

Most of what I learned about the Bible has been in the last 5 years.

 

[benedictgal]

I mean Bible study by the laity and for developing Catholics. I know in the last 20 years Bible study has become more popular among Catholics but when I was in school in the 1960’s & 1970’s, it was not. I came from a very devout Catholic family and we were taught most of the Church teachings. However, reading and studying scripture outside of mass did not happen. This is not uncommon for people my age.

Most of what I learned about the Bible has been in the last 5 years.

I do not have that experience and my I was at my Salesian school in the mid 1970s early 1980s.

There is a danger when we tend to generalize things because one person’s experience does not necessarily mean that everyone else went through that.

 

[SMHW]

I mean Bible study by the laity and for developing Catholics. I know in the last 20 years Bible study has become more popular among Catholics but when I was in school in the 1960’s & 1970’s, it was not. I came from a very devout Catholic family and we were taught most of the Church teachings. However, reading and studying scripture outside of mass did not happen. This is not uncommon for people my age.

Most of what I learned about the Bible has been in the last 5 years.

Granted, my experience was not necessarily typical even in my diocese…

I also went to school in the sixties and seventies. (I graduated from high school in 1976.) And we learned basic Bible history in grammar school. One of my Catholic high school courses was on the Bible. We didn’t do an in depth study of any specific book but we had to be familiar with the Bible and have some high level knowledge of what each book was about. My high school youth group had bible study every Monday night taught by seminarians. Each year was a different Gospel; but we also had to reference the other books from scripture that were pertinent to that particular Gospel.

 

[malphono]

I mean Bible study by the laity and for developing Catholics. I know in the last 20 years Bible study has become more popular among Catholics but when I was in school in the 1960’s & 1970’s, it was not. I came from a very devout Catholic family and we were taught most of the Church teachings. However, reading and studying scripture outside of mass did not happen. This is not uncommon for people my age.

Most of what I learned about the Bible has been in the last 5 years.

Well, as I said in a previous post, it’s evident from this thread that others have had differing experiences. Mine, for example, was similar to that of [post=6414537]benedictgal[/post]. We were encouraged to read and ask questions, and after meeting people from various places, it seems to me such was not all that unusual.

Now, what we didn’t do was engage in heavy-duty, Protestant-style “Bible study” but then again we are not sola scriptura fundamentalists, so there was (and is) no need for that.

 

[mo3]

I do not have that experience and my I was at my Salesian school in the mid 1970s early 1980s.

There is a danger when we tend to generalize things because one person’s experience does not necessarily mean that everyone else went through that.

Generalizations are good when they are accurate. They may not apply to everyone but accurate generalizations apply to most. They are also good because they should help the minority to recognize the position of the majority.

I have lived and travelled to many places in the US and discussed this issue with many people. Most of the students in my class are 45 to 60 years old and they have had the same experience.

Even today most Catholics are not knowledgeable about the Bible but at least the Church is promoting Bible studies.

God Bless.

 

[benedictgal]

Generalizations are good when they are accurate. They may not apply to everyone but accurate generalizations apply to most. They are also good because they should help the minority to recognize the position of the majority.

I have lived and travelled to many places in the US and discussed this issue with many people. Most of the students in my class are 45 to 60 years old and they have had the same experience.

Even today most Catholics are not knowledgeable about the Bible but at least the Church is promoting Bible studies.

God Bless.

My late paternal grandmother left me behind her dog-eared, well-worn Douay-Rheims Bible. She used to read it every day. The Bible is quite old, either during or before the glorious reign of Pope Pius XII. She had a lot of OT marked off for reading. Reading the Bible and reciting the Rosary were a part of her daily regimen. She knew her Bible well and she knew her Faith well.

She was in her 90s when she died.

 

[mo3]

My late paternal grandmother left me behind her dog-eared, well-worn Douay-Rheims Bible. She used to read it every day. The Bible is quite old, either during or before the glorious reign of Pope Pius XII. She had a lot of OT marked off for reading. Reading the Bible and reciting the Rosary were a part of her daily regimen. She knew her Bible well and she knew her Faith well.

She was in her 90s when she died.

She must have been a great blessing to you. It would be interesting to read her Bible and see what she highlighted.

God bless.