When did we stop singing Christmas carols during advent?

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If I remember correctly many many years ago we used to sing lots of religious Christmas carols during the Sundays of Advent. This was in joyful anticipation of Christmas

Then some sort of directive came out, from where I don’t remember. It might have been right from the vatican or from our beloved bishops (USCCB) that said we shouldn’t sing Christmas songs until the beginning of the liturgical season of Christmas, that is, Christmas day until epiphany.

I am so tired of O Come Emanuel, which sounds like a funeral dirge. And I know mothers especially of school age children, have by December 26th, about had enough of ‘Christmas’ and would like to forget about it for another year.

I have two questions really. First does anyone remember when and if this ‘no christmas carol singing’ started and second is their really anything wrong with singing Christmas carols in Advent in Joyful Anticipation of the season? Thanks
 
We have never sung Christmas carols during Advent liturgical celebrations precisely because we are in Advent, not Christmas. My parochial vicar (PV) preached an incredible homily this morning that touched precisely this point.

He said, “We are in a season of joyful anticipation wherein we await with Mary for her Son’s arrival. What pregnant woman would want to celebrate the birth of her child before the event arrives? What pregnant woman would want to have a birthday cake and a huge party for the child even though he’s not been born yet? No. While baby showers are thrown, they are not in grand scale in comparison to the birth of the child. So it is the same with Advent. As a Church many of us are letting the secular world tell us that Christmas begins now and ends on December 25th. That is not so. Christmas begins the moment of the first vigil on December 24th and lasts through the Baptism of the Lord. In the meantime, we sing hymns of joyful anticipation.”

Perhaps the OP doesn’t understand the beauty of “O Come, O Come Emmanuel”. It is the hymn that the Church has been singing for over 10 centuries and it is one of the oldest hymns of Advent. This song, read carefully, goes over the many titles given to the Savior and the tune, while the OP may not like it, is very much appropriate to the season of Advent. Maybe if the OP takes the words of “O Come, O Come Emmanuel” and turns it into a prayer for this Advent season, he or she may come to understand the beauty this ancient hymn conveys.

Now, regarding the prohibition, it only applies to the liturgies (Masses, Evening prayers, etc) celebrated during Advent. Perhaps the OP may not understand the fact that Advent is also a penitential season, meaning that everything, from the music to the art and environment, is muted. In fact, the Gloria is not sung/said during this time of the year unless there are solemnities like that of the Immaculate Conception or Our Lady of Guadalupe (particularly among Catholics of Mexican descent) where that joyful prayer is allowed.

But, we cannot jump the gun and celebrate Christmas, through carols, when we are in not in that season yet. Because many of us have such a poor understanding of Advent, it is no wonder that by the time December 24th comes around, we are tired. We need to regain our sense of this important feast. I would suggest to the OP the same suggestion that my PV made:
Make some time for quiet prayer, whether in front of the Blessed Sacrament or in your house. Read devtional materials to help your Advent regimen. Read the scriptures. Unite yourself in prayer with the Blessed Mother.
I hope this helps.
 
If I remember correctly many many years ago we used to sing lots of religious Christmas carols during the Sundays of Advent. This was in joyful anticipation of Christmas

Then some sort of directive came out, from where I don’t remember. It might have been right from the vatican or from our beloved bishops (USCCB) that said we shouldn’t sing Christmas songs until the beginning of the liturgical season of Christmas, that is, Christmas day until epiphany.

I am so tired of O Come Emanuel, which sounds like a funeral dirge. And I know mothers especially of school age children, have by December 26th, about had enough of ‘Christmas’ and would like to forget about it for another year.
If O Come Emmanuel sounds like a funeral dirge, it’s not being sung properly. The hymn is a chant, and should be sung as such. It’s a lovely, ancient hymn which should never be lost, especially on the days of Dec. 17 to 23.

Moreover, there are many more suitable Advent hymns than just O Come Emmanuel, such as Come Thou Long Expected Jesus, The King of Glory Comes, Wake, Awake, the Night is Flying, Conditor Alme Siderum (Creator of the Stars of Night), Rorate Caeli, and O Come Divine Messiah.
I have two questions really. First does anyone remember when and if this ‘no christmas carol singing’ started and second is their really anything wrong with singing Christmas carols in Advent in Joyful Anticipation of the season? Thanks
Advent is a season with a penitential and eschatological character, and the hymns should reflect that character of longing and waiting. It is appropriate to use Christmas hymns during the Christmas Eve vigil, which is the proper time for anticipation. But for liturgical purposes, Advent and Christmas are two distinct seasons and the music must reflect that distinction. So I am of the position that Christmas hymns are NOT appropriate for Advent at all, for the same reasons that the priest wears violet and the Gloria is omitted.

As for Christmas itself, Christmas is to be be sung from the Vigil all the way to and inclusive of the Feast of the Baptism of the Lord.
 
*And I know mothers especially of school age children, have by December 26th, about had enough of ‘Christmas’ and would like to forget about it for another year.

That’s PRECISELY why you shouldn’t be celebrating Christmas during Advent!

Christmas STARTS on 25 December, not ends then.
 
*And I know mothers especially of school age children, have by December 26th, about had enough of ‘Christmas’ and would like to forget about it for another year.

That’s PRECISELY why you shouldn’t be celebrating Christmas during Advent!

Christmas STARTS on 25 December, not ends then.
Well someone should tell this to the Catholic school systems - because the time before Christmas, re advent, is a frenzy of ‘celebrating christmas’. There is incessant gift giving to everyone from principals to janitors. There are all kinds of programs involving social justice themes of gifts, boxes collections, food etc for the homeless, children, maternity homes, etc. to buying for kris kringles, secret santas, classroom ‘christmas parties’, visit’s from santa programs and on it goes. My daughter’s children bought home a total of over 50 announcements regarding these type things in one week alone.

Not to mention all the practices and preparations for the annual Christmas school show, pageants etc. Now add to this all of a family’s personal preparations that need to be made for gifts, visitors, meals, shopping, cooking, buying, wrapping…

So excuse me, but with all of this it’s a little hard to follow your advice and not celebrate christmas during advent.
 
Thank you for taking the time to write these your replies by way of an explanation for my question. I am already familiar with the reasoning and have also heard many fine sermons on this topic. I just personally disagree and found many of the carols to truly be in the spirit of “joyful anticipation.” Not to allow any carols at all certainly does make it a penitential season at Mass.

However in the 40’s and 50’s our parishes did indeed sing Christmas carols starting in advent. I suppose the ‘directive’ that I remember hearing about years ago was because our parishes (there were two) were not, according to the bishop or whoever, supposed to be doing so. I remember I was quite young when my parents told me we “can’t do that anymore” because ‘someone’ had said so. So I probably didn’t realize it was not common then in all parishes. Sorry, but to this day I miss it.
 
Archbishop Denis Hart wrote about this recently: “… The temptation to sing Christmas carols in Advent is strong, but must be resisted with equal strength. The Church has special Advent hymnody which focuses us on the expectation of the coming Christ. A brief look at the seasonal index in the Catholic Worship Book will bring these to light, but one that comes obviously to mind is CWB 763 – O Come O Come Emmanuel. …”.

The full article is at kairos.com.au .
 
As a choral musician, I tend to find Advent choral pieces nearly superior to Christmas ones. Please don’t get me wrong, there is much beautiful Christmas music, but hymns such as “O Come Divine Messiah”, “Rorate Caeli”, “Wake, Awake” and choral pieces such as Gibbons’ “This is the Record of John”, the traditional “Jesus Christ the Apple Tree”, Britten’s “The Hymn to the Virgin”, Hadley’s “I Sing of a Maiden” are far too beautiful to be passed over. There is so much gorgeous music! If only advent were 8 weeks long!

Adam
 
So excuse me, but with all of this it’s a little hard to follow your advice and not celebrate christmas during advent.

It’s very easy to avoid celebrating Christmas during Advent if you were denied it from the time you were 11 years old. That’s when my parents split and my mother didn’t want to have Christmas any more, so I lost Christmas as well as my father that year.

This is why you should exercise your responsibility as your children’s principal religious educator and point out the difference between Christmas and Advent.

Don’t put up the tree until 24 December (when it was originally done), or at least before Advent IV, and keep it up until 6 January.

And so it goes.
 
As a choral musician, I tend to find Advent choral pieces nearly superior to Christmas ones. Please don’t get me wrong, there is much beautiful Christmas music, but hymns such as “O Come Divine Messiah”, “Rorate Caeli”, “Wake, Awake” and choral pieces such as Gibbons’ “This is the Record of John”, the traditional “Jesus Christ the Apple Tree”, Britten’s “The Hymn to the Virgin”, Hadley’s “I Sing of a Maiden” are far too beautiful to be passed over. There is so much gorgeous music! If only advent were 8 weeks long!

Adam
I totally agree. I love singing Lessons and Carols simply because of the beautiful Advent hymns. Let me add a few “Come, Thou Long-Expected Jesus,” “On Jordan’s Bank,” “Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent,” “Lo, How a Rose E’er Blooming,” “People Look East.” Also selections from Handel’s Messiah.
 
Well someone should tell this to the Catholic school systems - because the time before Christmas, re advent, is a frenzy of ‘celebrating christmas’. There is incessant gift giving to everyone from principals to janitors. There are all kinds of programs involving social justice themes of gifts, boxes collections, food etc for the homeless, children, maternity homes, etc. to buying for kris kringles, secret santas, classroom ‘christmas parties’, visit’s from santa programs and on it goes. My daughter’s children bought home a total of over 50 announcements regarding these type things in one week alone.

Not to mention all the practices and preparations for the annual Christmas school show, pageants etc. Now add to this all of a family’s personal preparations that need to be made for gifts, visitors, meals, shopping, cooking, buying, wrapping…

So excuse me, but with all of this it’s a little hard to follow your advice and not celebrate christmas during advent.
Exactly how many children does your daughter have? I can see a need for one Kris Kringle or Secret Santa in a classroom - this is where names are drawn and kept secret with the person who drew the name doing and/or giving small kind acts or gifts for or to the person whose name they drew. This indeed takes the “me, me. me” out of Christmas and moves the focus to others in whom we are to see Jesus. This goes for the gathering of “stuff” for the CPC, Maternity home, food bank etc. Families should be able to choose one from the list to give to if they have the means to do so.
So excuse me, but with all of this it’s a little hard to follow your advice and not celebrate christmas during advent.

It’s very easy to avoid celebrating Christmas during Advent if you were denied it from the time you were 11 years old. That’s when my parents split and my mother didn’t want to have Christmas any more, so I lost Christmas as well as my father that year.

This is why you should exercise your responsibility as your children’s principal religious educator and point out the difference between Christmas and Advent.

Don’t put up the tree until 24 December (when it was originally done), or at least before Advent IV, and keep it up until 6 January.

And so it goes.
I am sorry your mom’s reaction to your dad’s leaving was so strong. I firmly believe in putting up my tree and other decorations as soon as possible once Advent has started and keeping them up until at least Epiphany, you see, the putting up of the decorations is part of the preparations for Christmas and allows me to relax some, especially on Christmas Eve which can be a very hectic time for us some years as that is when we have in the past been heavily involved in one aspect or another of the Mass(es).

I say enjoy your Christmas Carols at home, I like playing them year round. Enjoy the Advent songs at Church during Advent and then when you get to sing the Carols, they will be that much sweeter!

Brenda V.
 
BrendaV
Exactly how many children does your daughter have? I can see a need for one Kris Kringle or Secret Santa in a classroom - this is where names are drawn and kept secret with the person who drew the name doing and/or giving small kind acts or gifts for or to the person whose name they drew. This indeed takes the “me, me. me” out of Christmas and moves the focus to others in whom we are to see Jesus. This goes for the gathering of “stuff” for the CPC, Maternity home, food bank etc. Families should be able to choose one from the list to give to if they have the means to do so.
To answer your question, Brenda, she has 3.

Right now she is trying to put together a cow costume, because her 3rd grader is to be a cow in the 3rd grade song in the christmas show and their song is Bless the Beasts and Children. She is to go buy a piece of while felt or similar material and making it long enough to cover the front and back torso with a hole so it slips over the head but not so long that it gets in the way of the feet and she is to sew or attach brown, red or black patchs to this felt.

She needs to find a black skirt and white top and red bow tie or ribbon and green apron for her daughter in 8th grade who will be a server at sunday mornings breakfast with santa for the younger children. She also must comfort this daughter because, even though very popular, she did not get chosen for the part in the christmas tableau, because the school secretary’s daughter was chosen and who just happens to be the best friend of the homeroom teacher. A typical type happening.

she has to go buy about 10 different personal toiletries and wrap them in paper in a shoebox for homeless men…one for each child…each class is doing this…actually it’s 30 toiletry items.

she is to bake 6 dozen homemade cookies for the cookie exchange in her 6th grade son’s class. no peanuts or peanut products please.

for the 3rd grader this week she needs to find and send in glitter, 2 empty toilet paper rolls, gold foil and red and green ribbons. i’m not sure what they are making.

she needs to buy or find 30 different items for the kris kringles because they do this in each class and for 10 days before the last day of school they put the ‘surprise’ in the other child’s desk and then 3 larger gifts for no more than $10 for the final gift.

her children must each pick an ornament from the school hall tree and for each she must provide the gift requested and wrap the item chosen and label it as to sex and age.

she is one of the homeroom mother in one of the grades and must plan the classroom party and contact all the other parents to provide the drinks treats cupcakes napkins etc…and even the music.

she is to send in in separate envelopes with the child’s name and homeroom # and specified offering for each of these.
  1. money for the pastor’s christmas purse
  2. money for the principal’s gift
    3)money for the janitor and his assistants
Each child is to bring in money in an envelope so they can go buy things at the secret santa shop at school next week.

Each grade gives to the immigrant center food pantry…each class brings in something different. One has to have 2 cans of soup, another 2 boxes of crackers and another something else, I can’t remember.

Each child is to bring in one item for the ‘layette bag’ for the local, what they now call 'infant maternity home.

She is providing some of the food for the pta christmas party for the school faculty.

The poinsetta sale is now going on and she is trying to keep track of orders for the $15 plants.

Her 6th grader in scouts is involved in some other worthy project, I’ve forgotten what and she has to drive 6 of them to this place miles from her home one evening next week so they can serve ‘those in need’

Each child must bring in $2 to be out of uniform on the last day…no jeans or sneakers please.

her oldest I know is part of the decorating the church team toward their confirmation service hours and she will be taking her up to the church a few nights for that.

all tests have been cancelled one afternoon and must be retaken the following week due to the school assembly’s carol sing-a-long.

the oldest sings in the childrens choir, the son is an altar server…many sessions and practices.

She must also christmas shop for her own children and other family members. She must shop for and cook meals for a large christmas dinner.

Now there is much much more, but I can’t remember all of it. I don’t know how she does it. But I shall try to remind her that
“Advent is a season with a penitential and eschatological character…” She’ll be happy to hear it I’m sure. Thank you all once again.
 
Just a slight variation on what has already been said, the following is from the Liturgical Commission in Brisbane (Oz)

"Advent is not Christmas. It is a period of waiting, of anticipation, of preparation for the celebration of Christ’s birth, but it is not the time for celebrating that event. In fact, the first three weeks of Advent focus on Christ’s second coming at the end of time. It is only from December 17th that the readings and prayers of the Mass start to refer directly to the birth of Christ. Not until this date should we even think about singing Christmas carols at Mass or putting up the nativity scene in the church!

There is plenty of time to sing carols and to pray before the crib during the Christmas season, which does not finish until the Baptism of the Lord, which falls on 13th January in 2008."
 
If I I am so tired of O Come Emanuel, which sounds like a funeral dirge. And I know mothers especially of school age children, have by December 26th, about had enough of ‘Christmas’ and would like to forget about it for another year.

I have two questions really. First does anyone remember when and if this ‘no christmas carol singing’ started and second is their really anything wrong with singing Christmas carols in Advent in Joyful Anticipation of the season? Thanks
I never remember singing carols in Church during Advent, but songs proper to the season such as Lo How a Rose and O Come Emanuel. Advent is a penitential season so such songs are inappropriate. Those who have od’s on Christmas music-and decorations, food and celebrations–by the 26th are welcome to shun the popular consumer culture, celebrate the liturgical seasons of the church instead of shop-o-mania, and stay out of the malls.
 
Byers, *t sounds like it is time for your daughter to speak to the school and explain how out of hand all these ‘celebrations’ are. Particularly the ‘kris kringle’ deals in the classroom. And certainly a cookie exchange can be done with fewer than 6 dozen cookies. Since we want to encourage large families, the schools need to be sensitive to the fact that each good idea is times 3 or 4 or 5 for the families at the school.

Are you close enough to her to offer to bake the cookies or make the costumes to help out?

[Edited by Moderator]*
 
Byers, *t sounds like it is time for your daughter to speak to the school and explain how out of hand all these ‘celebrations’ are. Particularly the ‘kris kringle’ deals in the classroom. And certainly a cookie exchange can be done with fewer than 6 dozen cookies. Since we want to encourage large families, the schools need to be sensitive to the fact that each good idea is times 3 or 4 or 5 for the families at the school.

Are you close enough to her to offer to bake the cookies or make the costumes to help out?

[Edited by Moderator]*

Sr Sally
I love you! You understand. Yes just last year a group of parents approached the principal about, shall we say, simplifying things. This is the result

Unfortunately I am a 1000 miles away. I would love to help with the cow :-).

Yes - and there are many families with more than three children in the school and of course some have children in high school too or little preschoolers who need much attention and a few are single parents. The mothers who have full time jobs too are losing their minds.

Anyway that was the reason for my comment as to why by dec 26th some people have had enough of “christmas” and are in no mood to sing carols. I meant no criticism of the ‘liturgical calender’ or those who love to go on about all the proper reasons for no Christmas carols during advent. Just thought they might be a tad more understanding if they had 6 dozen cookies and a cow to make.

God bless you.
 
I have two questions really. First does anyone remember when and if this ‘no christmas carol singing’ started and second is their really anything wrong with singing Christmas carols in Advent in Joyful Anticipation of the season? Thanks
  1. Several hundred years ago
2)Why sing songs out of season?
 
In all the masses I have been in, the carols always hold off until Christmas Eve and go for up to the next two weeks.
 
Advent is an important season all to itself and we should treat it as such and not blend it in with Christmas. Advent is part penitential which is not reflected when one is putting too much emphasis on Christmas decorations and such.

We don’t sing Christmas carols until Christmas here. Just the anticipatory Advent songs.
 
17th.dec.to jan. 13th. is the time to celebrate the christmas story. advent is preparation time.
 
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