When did you become a human being?

[joshrp]

Hi,

At what moment did you become a human being? When did your life begin? When did it become illegal for your mother to terminate your mortal life? These are the subjective questions I have for all abortion promoters. Do you believe in a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that it begins at the creation of the person, as stated in the Declaration of Independence? Do you have the right to life? If so, when did you obtain this right? If you don’t have the right to life, then can someone kill you for whatever reason they want to, whenever they want to? Is the United States Constitution founded on the principles of the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, endowed on every human being by their Creator at the moment of creation, as explicitly stated in the document which led to the founding of this nation? Do you believe in the principles I’ve restated from the Declaration of Independence?

I hope these questions generate a productive discussion. May God bless each and every one of your souls for all eternity.
Joshua

 

[Elizium23]

 

[thistle]

Hi,

At what moment did you become a human being? When did your life begin? When did it become illegal for your mother to terminate your mortal life? These are the subjective questions I have for all abortion promoters. Do you believe in a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that it begins at the creation of the person, as stated in the Declaration of Independence? Do you have the right to life? If so, when did you obtain this right? If you don’t have the right to life, then can someone kill you for whatever reason they want to, whenever they want to? Is the United States Constitution founded on the principles of the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, endowed on every human being by their Creator at the moment of creation, as explicitly stated in the document which led to the founding of this nation? Do you believe in the principles I’ve restated from the Declaration of Independence?

I hope these questions generate a productive discussion. May God bless each and every one of your souls for all eternity.
Joshua

Life begins at conception.

By the way there are already dozens of threads running on this topic. You should do a search and pick one to join.

 

[E_7]

Hi,

At what moment did you become a human being? When did your life begin?

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.

 

[Justice_Mercy]

Psalm 139:

13 For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.

 

[perro_sarnoso]

Hi,

At what moment did you become a human being? When did your life begin? When did it become illegal for your mother to terminate your mortal life? These are the subjective questions I have for all abortion promoters. Do you believe in a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that it begins at the creation of the person, as stated in the Declaration of Independence? Do you have the right to life? If so, when did you obtain this right? If you don’t have the right to life, then can someone kill you for whatever reason they want to, whenever they want to? Is the United States Constitution founded on the principles of the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, endowed on every human being by their Creator at the moment of creation, as explicitly stated in the document which led to the founding of this nation? Do you believe in the principles I’ve restated from the Declaration of Independence?

I hope these questions generate a productive discussion. May God bless each and every one of your souls for all eternity.
Joshua

At the moment of conception. End of story. Next question.

 

[atheistgirl]

If you don’t have the right to life, then can someone kill you for whatever reason they want to, whenever they want to?

In certain circumstances, yes, in some states and countries. It’s called the death penalty.

How some religious people can be antiabortion, and pro death penalty, I will never understand.

Sarah x

 

[underacloud]

In certain circumstances, yes, in some states and countries. It’s called the death penalty.

How some religious people can be antiabortion, and pro death penalty, I will never understand.

Sarah x

How some people can be anti the death penalty and pro abortion is infinitely more staggering.

For what it’s worth, I’m anti both…but far more anti abortion (the killing of innocent babies) than anti the death penalty (the killing of criminals).

 

[Holly3278]

I became a human being at the moment my father’s sperm met my mother’s ovum. In other words, I became a human being at the moment of conception.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Hi,

At what moment did you become a human being? When did your life begin? When did it become illegal for your mother to terminate your mortal life? These are the subjective questions I have for all abortion promoters. Do you believe in a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that it begins at the creation of the person, as stated in the Declaration of Independence? Do you have the right to life? If so, when did you obtain this right? If you don’t have the right to life, then can someone kill you for whatever reason they want to, whenever they want to? Is the United States Constitution founded on the principles of the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, endowed on every human being by their Creator at the moment of creation, as explicitly stated in the document which led to the founding of this nation? Do you believe in the principles I’ve restated from the Declaration of Independence?

I hope these questions generate a productive discussion. May God bless each and every one of your souls for all eternity.
Joshua

The religious AND scientific answer is the same. At the moment of conception.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

In certain circumstances, yes, in some states and countries. It’s called the death penalty.

How some religious people can be antiabortion, and pro death penalty, I will never understand.

Sarah x

Simple. The unborn are innocent and, presumably, the people who receive the death penalty are not.

 

[atheistgirl]

Simple. The unborn are innocent and, presumably, the people who receive the death penalty are not.

I thought religious people believed in forgiveness and redemption?

I view all of human life as intrinsically valued and dignified, from the womb to the deathbed.

Sure, some people do real bad things, and should be removed from general society. That’s no excuse for the state to murder them in the name of justice. The worse their crime, the harder the pubishment should be. Within that process is the possibility of them redeeming themselves.

The state killing people just gives these guys an easy way out.

That some religious groups and people not only support, but promote, the death penalty, is nothing but hypocracy to me.

Sarah x

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I thought religious people believed in forgiveness and redemption?

I view all of human life as intrinsically valued and dignified, from the womb to the deathbed.

Sure, some people do real bad things, and should be removed from general society. That’s no excuse for the state to murder them in the name of justice. The worse their crime, the harder the pubishment should be. Within that process is the possibility of them redeeming themselves.

The state killing people just gives these guys an easy way out.

That some religious groups and people not only support, but promote, the death penalty, is nothing but hypocracy to me.

Sarah x

ANd society has the right and the duty to protect itself from dangerous criminals. The unborn are not a threat to anyone. Some (not all) criminals are incorrigible and if they continue to pose a threat to society, we have a duty to ensure that they cannot harm anyone.

 

[atheistgirl]

ANd society has the right and the duty to protect itself from dangerous criminals.

By locking them away forever as punishment for their crimes, if need be, but not the right to murder them in the name of so called justice.

Some (not all) criminals are incorrigible and if they continue to pose a threat to society, we have a duty to ensure that they cannot harm anyone.

Yes but not by murdering them.

Sarah x

 

[davidv]

By locking them away forever as punishment for their crimes, if need be, but not the right to murder them in the name of so called justice.

Yes but not by murdering them.

Sarah x

Can you explain why the Church teaches that not all killing is murder?

 

[mini_me640]

In certain circumstances, yes, in some states and countries. It’s called the death penalty.

How some religious people can be antiabortion, and pro death penalty, I will never understand.

Sarah x

While I am not pro-death penalty I can totally get how you can be for it while opposing abortion. The execution of a murderer with intent to punish and keep said person away from society is an entirely different matter than murdering an innocent human being. Both are killing, but it can be convincingly argued that the former is not murder, while the latter is.

What baffles me is those who oppose the death penalty while promoting abortion. How on earth can killing a serial murderer be wrong if killing an innocent child is okay? The logic eludes me.

 

[mini_me640]

By locking them away forever as punishment for their crimes, if need be, but not the right to murder them in the name of so called justice.

Yes but not by murdering them.

Sarah x

There was a man in my area who was “locked away forever” and ended up killing a prison guard. Some people remain dangerous in prison. Not to mention the many convicts who preside over dangerous gangs while behind bars. Life imprisonment does not always constitute unable to continue doing harm.

 

[atheistgirl]

What baffles me is those who oppose the death penalty while promoting abortion. How on earth can killing a serial murderer be wrong if killing an innocent child is okay? The logic eludes me.

There’s no if or buts for me.

Either life, all human life, is precious, or it isn’t.

For me, all human life is precious.

No ifs. No buts.

Sarah x

 

[atheistgirl]

Life imprisonment does not always constitute unable to continue doing harm.

I didnt say it does. I said wider society is protected. But nothing gives the state the right to decide who can life and who can’t.

It’s the height of hyporcacy to me, to listen to some religious people sermonizing about forgiveness and repentance and rehabilitation and salvation, and at the same time, supporting the death penalty.

The death penalty is nothing but state legislated murder. How any person of any religion could support it, I will never understand.

What I think is interesting is if X murdered Y in revenge for a murder Y committed, certain religious people would condemn that as immoral. Yet these very same people have no problem with the state doing the same thing. They see no immorality in it.

Who authorized the state to do this? Where do they get this authority from? God? Or the people?

More proof what is classed as moral, and immoral, is little more than the consensus of the majority.

Sarah x

 

[AHapka]

By locking them away forever as punishment for their crimes, if need be, but not the right to murder them in the name of so called justice.

In a first world nation with modern penal facilities such as the United States, I will tend to agree with you.

In a third world country with a prison that you can buy your way out of, it becomes a much different conversation.