When discerning a vocation to marriage with Miss X: whose interests to consider? mine or her?

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“The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life.”

Also in this document. Partnership implies an equality between the spouses.
In Catholic teaching, the emphasis is on the complimentarity of spouses, not on one spouse being subject to another. The official interpretation of this passage does not have the wife as inferior.

Also the obedience in those vows does not constitute a “vow of obedience”. They’re marriage vows, not religious vows. Your wife is not required to “submit” to every thing you say.

I just think if you don’t love this woman passionately and you are asking yourself if you should marry her at all then you shouldn’t be getting married to her.

This is an explanation of this verse (Col 3:18) from the Navarre Bible:

*18-19. In the period when this epistle was written, especially in the
East, women were regarded as inferior to men. St Paul does not make a
direct attack on the customs of his time, but the way he focuses the
question of the role of women provides the elements of an answer to it.
He identifies what a woman’s role in the family should be: it is true
that the husband has an important part to play, but the wife also has a
role to perform and one which is non-transferable. The wife is not the
husband’s slave: she is his equal in dignity and must be treated by him
with respect and sincere love. It is taken for granted that the family
needs a center of authority, and that this authority belongs to the
husband, in accordance with God’s design (cf. 1 Cor 11:3, 12-14). “The
place and task of the father in and for the family is of unique and
irreplaceable importance …]. In revealing and in reliving on earth
the very fatherhood of God (cf. Eph 3:15), a man is called upon to
ensure the harmonious and united development of all the members of the
family” (John Paul II, “Familiaris Consortio”, 25).

God gave Eve to Adam as his inseparable companion and complement (cf.
Gen 2:18); she was therefore duty-bound to live in peace with him. Man
and woman have different, though complementary, roles in family life;
they are equal in dignity, by virtue of the fact that they are human
persons: “The unity of marriage, distinctly recognized by our Lord, is
made clear in the equal personal dignity which must be accorded to man
and woman in mutual and unreserved affection” (Vatican II, “Gaudium Et
Spes”, 49).

Therefore, a husband should make a special effort to love and respect
his wife: “You are not her master”, writes Saint Ambrose, “but her
husband; she was not given to you to be your slave, but your wife
…]. Reciprocate her attentiveness to you and be grateful to her for
her love” (“Exameron”, 5, 7, 19 quoted in “Familiaris Consortio”, 25).*
 
Can you please answer the original question. You are all saying to ignore her point of view and just think of myself — good, but is this love or egoism, then?

She just wants marriage with me.

And yes, love is a choice — this is clear to both of us. I have spent the whole lent on bloody cold analysis and prayer (yes including the obedience thing), and she knows that. (Feelings can be helpful, and I do have feelings for her, but I am not stupid enough to base my life and my marriage upon feelings.)
  1. No, don’t think of yourself, but think of the marriage.
  2. Love is not just a choice. Please read the book “The Four Loves” by C.S. Lewis that I recommended to you in your previous thread.
  3. One shouldn’t have to white-knuckle oneself and into marrying. It should be joyous, not “meh, whatever, I guess so”.
  4. A normal marriage lasts a long time. Will-power alone will get you only so far, and it isn’t very nice to the other person when they find out what has been going on.
 
Can you please answer the original question. You are all saying to ignore her point of view and just think of myself — good, but is this love or egoism, then?

She just wants marriage with me.
So here is an answer to your original question. Both. It’s not one or the other.

If you are speaking of marriage, it is always about both people’s happiness and well being.
You will not be a good husband if you were to marry her just to make her happy. Eventually, she would know that and feel that. You are not considering her happiness if you are marrying her but not really “all in.” Let her go now to be free to find someone that truly loves her in the way she deserves to be as a married woman, and not by someone that sounds like he is doing her some kind of favor.
 
So here is an answer to your original question. Both. It’s not one or the other.

If you are speaking of marriage, it is always about both people’s happiness and well being.
You will not be a good husband if you were to marry her just to make her happy. Eventually, she would know that and feel that. You are not considering her happiness if you are marrying her but not really “all in.” Let her go now to be free to find someone that truly loves her in the way she deserves to be as a married woman, and not by someone that sounds like he is doing her some kind of favor.
This is the best advice I think. If you’re not 100% into getting married to her, then let her go. Both of you could find true love elsewhere.
 
So here is an answer to your original question. Both. It’s not one or the other.

If you are speaking of marriage, it is always about both people’s happiness and well being.
You will not be a good husband if you were to marry her just to make her happy. Eventually, she would know that and feel that. You are not considering her happiness if you are marrying her but not really “all in.” Let her go now to be free to find someone that truly loves her in the way she deserves to be as a married woman, and not by someone that sounds like he is doing her some kind of favor.
Right.
 
Is this cold feet, or is this genuine discernment?

The answer to your original question, STF, is that you take into account both of you: you and her.

I don’t see whether you have answered my earlier question about if you have actually proposed. Generally, the time for discernment is before a proposal happens and before you actually start planning the wedding.

Also, nobody is perfect, so seeking a good match is reasonable, but seeking a perfect match is unrealistic. You say you have feelings for her. You say she wants marriage to you. What specifically are the problems? What kind of feelings are you referring to?

Pardon my bluntness, because I am trying to help, but your posts in this thread are rather vague and ambivalent. One moment it seems you want to be with this woman, and another moment it seems you want to be free of her. So, I think rather than focusing upon feelings, which can betray us, and can lead us away from things we do truly want and lead us toward things we don’t really want, I would advise to get your thoughts out on paper. Not your feelings. Your thoughts. Journal about your relationship with this woman, and write down every passing thought or concern. If it is good thoughts, write them down. If it is bad thoughts, write them down. Also spend sometime thinking strategically. What kind of marriage do you want. What kind of husband do you want to be. What kind of wife is she likely to be (past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior). Write everything down. Then pray about it. A lot. And then go through your journal again, reading everything you have written. Remember to focus upon thoughts. Feelings are helpful, mostly in that they help us to become aware of our thoughts, but feelings are not always accurate or helpful, and can be like a false alarm where there is no fire, especially around big life events.

None of us here can really tell you whether or not you should marry this girl. We don’t know you. We can’t see how you two are when you are together. But it is only fair to both of you if you make sure you are choosing marriage and not just falling into it by default or a sense of obligation (notice again the emphasis on thought and choice rather than feeling). Every marriage relationship and courtship is different. Some people are best friends and their warm affection for each other is what makes them a good match. Others are evidence that opposites do attract. Still others have a hot/cold relationship with either a passionate attraction or a passionate repulsion, where when they are happy with each other, they are REALLY happy, but when they are angry with each other or upset, they are REALLY angry or upset. And there are so many more legitimate and workable types of relationships that I cannot think of nor have room to list. If you cannot figure this out for yourself, the next best thing would be to approach a trusted person, such as a priest who knows you both, your dad or brother, a friend, your mom. The point is, it should be someone who sees you both together and knows YOU very well. Get their (name removed by moderator)ut on what they see in you and this girl. We on the anonymous interwebz cannot help you do that type of discernment.

God bless you and good luck, STF. I can tell you are torn and I said a prayer that whatever you decide, you will have a sense of certainty and peace.
 
Agree with Irishmom that the OP seems to be seeing marrying this woman as a favor to her.

I’d go even further, I personally think that the OP needs to get over himself. He is not God’s gift to women, even this particular woman. The vibe I get is “I’m such a great guy, marrying me is obviously in the best interest of Miss X, even if I’m not as into her as she is into me.”

Maybe that does happen to be the case, but I doubt it. But that’s just me. 🤷
 
Agree with Irishmom that the OP seems to be seeing marrying this woman as a favor to her.

I’d go even further, I personally think that the OP needs to get over himself. He is not God’s gift to women, even this particular woman. The vibe I get is “I’m such a great guy, marrying me is obviously in the best interest of Miss X, even if I’m not as into her as she is into me.”

Maybe that does happen to be the case, but I doubt it. But that’s just me. 🤷
Agree. By the sounds of it he shouldn’t be getting married at all due to either immaturity or a lack of understanding of what the sacrament of matrimony actually entails.
 
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