When do Protestants believe "Judgment" will happen?

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As Catholics we believe in the Particular/Personal Judgment and the General Judgment…we believe there will be two. But a Protestant recently told me he believes there will be only one judgment, only the General Judgment, and he said it will be after Heaven and before the New Heaven/New Earth.

I don’t want to debate whether or not there are 2, but I’m curious to know what other Protestants believe.

Do you believe in 1 or 2 judgments?

What kind of judgment is it?

When will it take place?

Thanks.

PS - This is the page he gave me: bible.ca/su-hades.htm
 
flatlanderjenn said:
As Catholics we believe in the Particular/Personal Judgment and the General Judgment…we believe there will be two. But a Protestant recently told me he believes there will be only one judgment, only the General Judgment, and he said it will be after Heaven and before the New Heaven/New Earth.

I don’t want to debate whether or not there are 2, but I’m curious to know what other Protestants believe.

Do you believe in 1 or 2 judgments?

What kind of judgment is it?

When will it take place?

Thanks.

PS - This is the page he gave me: bible.ca/su-hades.htm
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Catholic fact: it’s in the Book of Revelation:
The personal.judgement is at death.

The general judgement is at the End of the World when those alive will.be judged.
So you are saying the general judgement will also.include those who already experienced the personal judgement and are in Heaven? Maybe that will.be to prescribe to each soul in Heaven the rewards they have earned on the New Earth where Heaven and God will now live with His people on earth. And we will receive resurrected bodies and the rewards earned for.this new Heaven.
 
Back when I was a Protestant I didn’t really think those things through. But had anyone asked, I would have said one judgement right after death. I was very influenced by Chick tracts. :o
 
Which denomination? There are thousands and many teach different things but most agree there will be a Final Judgement and they don’t know when except for some especially JW’s who have tried unsuccessfully to predict the end date several times. 🤷
 
That depends on the denominational teaching and the individual person. There is no one set of beliefs about this in Protestantism. Most of the mainline denominations have beliefs similar to ours, although the terminology may vary.
 
Here is what I can offer to you about the coming Judgement:

Petrus Romanus, qui
pascet oves in mul-
tis tribulationibus:
quibus transactis ci-
vitas septicollis di-
ruetur, & Judex tre
medus judicabit po
pulum suum. Finis.

These eight lines are from Fr. Arnold Wion’s “Lignum Vitae,’” 1595 (Liber Secundus, pg. 311) and constitute motto number 113 of Wion’s prophecy of the popes. Translation:

“Peter of Rome, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: when these things are finished the city of the seven hills will be destroyed and the terrible Judge will judge his people. The End.”

It must be noted that motto number 112 is for our present Pontiff. Therefore, it appears that the coming Judgement will happen under the reign of the next and final Pope (at least according to this prophecy.)
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Which denomination? There are thousands and many teach different things but most agree there will be a Final Judgement and they don’t know when except for some especially JW’s who have tried unsuccessfully to predict the end date several times. 🤷
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I had a discussion about this with 2 JW"s the other day, and surprisingly, they agreed with me, as I pointed out that none of prophecies people have made (including JW’s) over the past 2000 years have panned out.

They were nice ladies, but I told them when I answered the door that they might as well go back to their car rather than try to convert me. They did open their Bible to a passage in Timothy, but that’s as far as they got for the whole 20 minutes, as I never shut up. They got a discourse on the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity, and asked a lot of questions, but appeared unable to grasp the concept even a little. Oh well, at least we agreed on one thing.
 
CB_Catholic said:
They did open their Bible to a passage in Timothy, but that’s as far as they got for the whole 20 minutes, as I never shut up. They got a discourse on the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity, and asked a lot of questions, but appeared unable to grasp the concept even a little. Oh well, at least we agreed on one thing.
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:rotfl: please enter my parlor said the spider to the fly.
 
flatlanderjenn said:
As Catholics we believe in the Particular/Personal Judgment and the General Judgment…we believe there will be two. But a Protestant recently told me he believes there will be only one judgment, only the General Judgment, and he said it will be after Heaven and before the New Heaven/New Earth.

I don’t want to debate whether or not there are 2, but I’m curious to know what other Protestants believe.

Do you believe in 1 or 2 judgments?

What kind of judgment is it?

When will it take place?

Thanks.

PS - This is the page he gave me: bible.ca/su-hades.htm
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In the Lutheran / Catholic dialogue document, The Hope of Eternal Life, a comparison of our views is presented starting at paragraph 64.

Jon
 
For the believer there is one judgement known as the Great White Throne Judgement in Rev.20:12. This happens after the 1,000 year kingdom. There is no need for a judgement immediately following death for it is already known and evident which kingdom every one belongs to.

For the record, I believe there are 2 resurrections.
 
CB_Catholic said:
I had a discussion about this with 2 JW"s the other day, and surprisingly, they agreed with me, as I pointed out that none of prophecies people have made (including JW’s) over the past 2000 years have panned out.

They were nice ladies, but I told them when I answered the door that they might as well go back to their car rather than try to convert me. They did open their Bible to a passage in Timothy, but that’s as far as they got for the whole 20 minutes, as I never shut up. They got a discourse on the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity, and asked a lot of questions, but appeared unable to grasp the concept even a little. Oh well, at least we agreed on one thing.
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A relative of mine brought out a statue of Our Lady to 2 Jw begging them to take it, they practically ran back to.their car…

Didn’t return either!!!’
 
flatlanderjenn said:
As Catholics we believe in the Particular/Personal Judgment and the General Judgment…we believe there will be two. But a Protestant recently told me he believes there will be only one judgment, only the General Judgment, and he said it will be after Heaven and before the New Heaven/New Earth.

I don’t want to debate whether or not there are 2, but I’m curious to know what other Protestants believe.

Do you believe in 1 or 2 judgments?

What kind of judgment is it?

When will it take place?

Thanks.
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I believe in a General judgement, and a personal judgement.

Our eschatology is where our various views on ‘Judgements’ come from. As best as I understand, the reformation period did not have many eschatological issues. (except purgatory)

In the 1800s however, there was a significant move toward millennialism. (literal 1000 years on earth) These theories required judgements at each end of the millenium, and some teachers proposed up to 5 different judgements. These views have lots of noisy advocates on the Internet, but mainline protestant churches basically agree with how you described it.
 
Nelka said:
:rotfl:
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A nice fellow from the local JW Hall stops by my home every once in a while. At the last visit I asked him how the JW Church viewed unilateral nuclear disarmament He said that the JWs do not take positions on political issues. So I asked “Would you assist in the design a nuclear weapon?” Answer, “No.” I continued, “Would you ever accept employment to help build a nuclear weapon?” Answer, “No.” And then, “Would you ever serve in a military unit that was armed with a nuclear weapon?” Well, you all know the answer to that one.

Might point being is that there is something to like and even admire about JWs. What all this got to do with the coming Judgment? I ask readers to consider these passages:

Psalm 9:15
The nations have sunk into a pit of their own making,
they are caught by the feet in the snare they set themselves.
YHWH . . .has trapped the wicked in the work of their own hands.

Describes the problem of owning nuclear weapons. They are a great danger to ourselves and the world, but we are afraid to get rid of them.

Isaiah 2:19
Go into the hollows of the rocks, into the caverns of the earth,
at the sight of the terror of YHWH, at the brilliance of His majesty.

There is nothing on earth more brilliant (or terrifying) than a nuclear detonation. The only defense is to go underground.

Isaiah 66:15-16
For see how YHWH comes in fire, His chariots like the tempest. . .
For by fire will YHWH execute judgment, and by His sword, against all mankind.
The victims of YHWH will be many.

To me the chariot of fire like the tempest resembles the launch of an ICBM. The fire and sword of judgment are the detonations of the nuclear warheads.

Jeremiah 25:30-31 & 38
For YHWH is indicting the nations, arraigning all flesh for judgment…
See! The disaster spreads for nation to nation…
Those slaughtered by YHWH that day will be scattered across the world from end to end.
…they will stay lying on the surface like dung.

The start of global nuclear war and its aftermath.

Luke 3:24
I have come to bring a fire to the earth, and how I wish it were blazing already!

The Rabbi who said this also said that we should trust YHWH for our well being (rather than trust in weapons) and that we should love our neighbors. The building of a nuclear weapon is a gross violation of both of those instructions.

This is YWHW’s judgment of mankind: fiery destruction at the hand of the terrible weapons that we have built in violation of His commandments. According to the Prophecy of the Popes (see my previous post) this judgment by global nuclear war will happen under the reign of the next and final Pope: Peter of Rome.
 
flatlanderjenn said:
As Catholics we believe in the Particular/Personal Judgment and the General Judgment…we believe there will be two. But a Protestant recently told me he believes there will be only one judgment, only the General Judgment, and he said it will be after Heaven and before the New Heaven/New Earth.

I don’t want to debate whether or not there are 2, but I’m curious to know what other Protestants believe.

Do you believe in 1 or 2 judgments?

What kind of judgment is it?

When will it take place?

Thanks.

PS - This is the page he gave me: bible.ca/su-hades.htm
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That Site is published by “church of Christ” Campbellites. They sincerely believe to be the only Christians to exist, even though they came about in 1906.

Not recommended.

Chistians fall into millenianists. Catholics afaik are Amillienists.
 
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