Jesus never turned to the government for answers to social problems, nor did He ever mobilize His followers to become involved in the government. He prophesied that society will get worse until He comes again.I am saying that if one were Catholic and KNOW all her teachings and still vote for a baby killer yes I feel that that person is not in unity of the Catholic Church. Obama is for any perverted anti Christ thing and I pray that he will be too busy to pass his agenda. I am saying that all the politicians that call themselves Catholic and yet won’t take a direct public stand against FOCA abortion mercy killings like Kavorkian and promote same sex marriages they need to be publically excommunicated by a Bishop PERIOD. Bishops that allows communion to be served to politicians like scary Kerry Nasty I mean Nancy pelosi Biden Kennedy and the rest of those scalawags are an Anathema as well as the politicians and the knowledged voters that know the Catholic faith but still are worried about themselves selfish reasons and not the unborn who are human the moment of conception. Also all the abortion supporters and any other perverted act supporters woe onto them for one day they will be enlightened
I am not judging you or anyone in particular. .But any Bishop or priest who voted for Obama or any other baby killing politician, I feel will be stoking a huge fire IN HELL!!!after judgment day for they are held to a much higher standard than the regular “joe sixpack” cafeteria or nominal Catholic. Until they repent in their hearts. I know there are some Bishops that voted for that baby killer but that is another discussion. I just hope they see the light before it is too late.
One cannot in good standing with Jesus Christ whether Catholic or private non church practicing Christian vote for someone that supports abortion or any other perverted act. Even if he is the best person for the job and he is for everything else that you support one cannot vote for that candidate. and if you find a priest that has the guts to speak out against this garbage he will tell you the same thing. even evangelical preachers will tell you the same thing. If not they are not teaching God’s word.
I pray that you see the light and return home and that you will find peace and contentment in the true church the teaching church the original church God Bless Scoob.
don’t complain here, if you think you have a lawsuit, file one, ask for declaratory relief, probably cost about $10k – up front, of course. not expensive at all because the case won’t last long since the Declaration is not a treaty, so its not a law.The UN Declaration of Human Rights recognizes …To know that tat these people can prevent me from officially leaving in order to maintain false numbers adds insult to injury.
A biological family is an association. A race is an association. Your biological family and race are things that are both fixed within your DNA, and you cannot choose not to belong to either no matter how much you may want not to belong or to belong to a different bio family or race. So if you are ‘compelled’ to belong to the Church the. You are equally ‘compelled’ to be a member of your biological family and race.
By the way - how exactly do you imagine statistics are compiled relating to numbers of Catholics? I can tell you it is NOT a matter of simply counting all the baptised who are currently alive. Because the Church keeps baptismal records but is by no means automatically notified of the death of a baptised person. It is only notified if Catholic funeral rites are wanted, which by no means always happens.
So - baptismal records for the last century or more would have to be carefully compared with death certificates - and remember a Catholic can be baptised anywhere in the world and die anywhere else in the world. It would be a mammoth undertaking and require a huge and frankly incredibly wasteful use of resources.
Now there are two much easier ways which are in fact used to determine who is numbered among the Church’s members. One is government censuses. The other is parish registries of enrolled members. Both of these require people to SELF-identify as Catholic when completing their registration forms or census forms.
You would not be included on either a census or a parish register of members, I can assure you. And so I would stake a good sum of money on it that you are not in fact counted in any official statistic anywhere as being Catholic.
Do you realize what you are saying? Do you realize how absurd and revolting it is?A biological family is an association. A race is an association. Your biological family and race are things that are both fixed within your DNA, and you cannot choose not to belong to either no matter how much you may want not to belong or to belong to a different bio family or race. So if you are ‘compelled’ to belong to the Church the. You are equally ‘compelled’ to be a member of your biological family and race.
By the way - how exactly do you imagine statistics are compiled relating to numbers of Catholics? I can tell you it is NOT a matter of simply counting all the baptised who are currently alive. Because the Church keeps baptismal records but is by no means automatically notified of the death of a baptised person. It is only notified if Catholic funeral rites are wanted, which by no means always happens.
So - baptismal records for the last century or more would have to be carefully compared with death certificates - and remember a Catholic can be baptised anywhere in the world and die anywhere else in the world. It would be a mammoth undertaking and require a huge and frankly incredibly wasteful use of resources.
Now there are two much easier ways which are in fact used to determine who is numbered among the Church’s members. One is government censuses. The other is parish registries of enrolled members. Both of these require people to SELF-identify as Catholic when completing their registration forms or census forms.
You would not be included on either a census or a parish register of members, I can assure you. And so I would stake a good sum of money on it that you are not in fact counted in any official statistic anywhere as being Catholic.
don’t complain here, if you think you have a lawsuit, file one, ask for declaratory relief, probably cost about $10k – up front, of course. not expensive at all because the case won’t last long since the Declaration is not a treaty, so its not a law.
ProTip: if you’re physically ill, you might want to consult a doctor, rather than a lawyer.
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your statement is nonsensical. if you want legal relief, you have to have a cognizable claim arising under some law. the UN Declaration isn’t it.
- A practice needs not be a law to be a violation of rights.
- See a doctor rather than a lawyer… shame on you.
if you feel sick, see a doctor.I feel sick.
I don’t get what you’re trying to say. If you have so much hatred for Catholicism, why does it even matter? It’s like you’re letting the Church live in your head rent-free. If you believe that there is no God, how can it matter if the ‘membership’ is higher or lower by one or not? What harm can come to you>I am seeking some clarification concerning a legal matter. I have filled up a Declaration of Defection from the Roman Catholic Church (Actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia catholica) and was about to send it when I found out that the act of formal defection has been abolished. This seems to mean that I cannot leave the Church.
However, it appears that something called a public or “notorious” defection from the Catholic faith or from the communion of the Church remains possible.
Yet, it is very difficult to get some information on what it is and how one can proceed. How does one “notoriously” defect? How can I be sure that the catholic church stops counting me as one of its members? Is there a form I can fill up to guarantee that my name is not used against my will to boost up their numbers?
I’ll appreciate any information on this matter.
can you even read or do you just pretend not to understand when it’s convenient? Denying someone the right to decease from a cult is a violation of human rights; claiming that a cult owns someone for ever is a crime;l mental slavery is a crime.your statement is nonsensical. if you want legal relief, you have to have a cognizable claim arising under some law. the UN Declaration isn’t it.
your own words:
if you feel sick, see a doctor.
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I can’t find any legal right of the kind you’re claiming.can you even read or do you just pretend not to understand when it’s convenient? Denying someone the right to decease from a cult is a violation of human rights; claiming that a cult owns someone for ever is a crime;l mental slavery is a crime.
Sick? yes. The sight of a self-satisfied mafia of pedophiles forcing lies, fears, and superstitions on people sicken me. People like you sicken me…
What matters is that the church has surreptitiously changed its rules so that the wave of people filling to be officially divorced from it (initially thousands of people in Ireland and the US + some in Spain among those who suffered under the church-supported fascist regime of Franco) can magically vanish. It ceases to be a problem because people are not allowed to officially leave.I don’t get what you’re trying to say. If you have so much hatred for Catholicism, why does it even matter? It’s like you’re letting the Church live in your head rent-free. If you believe that there is no God, how can it matter if the ‘membership’ is higher or lower by one or not? What harm can come to you>
Most atheists pride themselves on being rational thinkers, and refusing to believe in fairy-tales, lies, etc… You seem to be very emotional and irrational about all this.
A rational human would contact the Church, and find out exactly what has to be done. Instead… you come here and ask us (the vast majority being Catholic and happy with it).
So this is not about how to defect but is a generalized rant against the Church? you shouldn’t be misrepresenting your position on a thread. people have given you fairly solid advice on your stated purpose, and now you’ve admitted this deception.…
Why posting this here? Because you people should know about the practices of the church you obey. I will not let you get away with the old “we didn’t know” excuse.
You need to learn how to read. It is about the fact that the Church **does not **allow people to defect anymore. I don’t know how you could not get that.So this is not about how to defect but is a generalized rant against the Church? you shouldn’t be misrepresenting your position on a thread. people have given you fairly solid advice on your stated purpose, and now you’ve admitted this deception.
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Flinging insults at me doesn’t help you. You can’t legally defect. You’re going to have to live with that, since there’s no legal recourse. Whether or not you figure out the other way to leave is up to you.You need to learn how to read. It is about the fact that the Church **does not **allow people to defect anymore. I don’t know how you could not get that.
So now you’re changing your stance. At least you acknowledge that what I said is right. The only problem (in a sense it;s even worse than denial) is that you seem happy with it.Flinging insults at me doesn’t help you. You can’t legally defect. You’re going to have to live with that, since there’s no legal recourse. Whether or not you figure out the other way to leave is up to you.
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I’m not sure what you’ve said.So now you’re changing your stance. At least you acknowledge that what I said is right. The only problem (in a sense it;s even worse than denial) is that you seem happy with it.
Sweetheart, I claimed the complete opposite. There is NO WAY thatDo you realize what you are saying? Do you realize how absurd and revolting it is?
- For your information: a religious denomination is not a biological fact. There is no “catholic” chromosome, no more than there is a Muslim or Buddhist DNA segment. Your analogy is totally inappropriate. Forcing a denomination on a child doesn’t make it a “natural fact.” It is akin to turning people into slavery and claiming that they were slave by nature in the first place.
- You say that “the Church keeps baptismal records but is by no means automatically notified of the death of a baptized person.” So you admit that by its own practice the church regularly counts much more people than it can actually claim. I have no doubt about that, but this counting dead people changes nothing to what revolt me: the fact the church counts people who are quite alive (in addition to the dead ones) even when they do not wish to have anything to do with it, since said Church denies them the right of leaving.
- In most democratic countries, governments do not demand that people declare a religious affiliation.
- I’m glad you are willing to stake a good sum of money on it. Unfortunately this has nothing to do with eh fact that the Actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia catholica has been revoked, which in effect prevents one to actually leave this cult. The church has always used false hope and threat to advance its empire on people minds. There was a time when the threat of excommunication was powerful. It is ironic to think that now they are refusing to excommunicate those who wish to be set free.