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coolcatholicguy
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Is looking at a girl in a bikini or something similar to that and getting sexually turned on and still looking at her a sin? Or is it only when there are things like pornography and sex involved?
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centurionguard
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Looking at a girl with a bikini is no sin itself. However; in todays world such visual temptations are meant to insight lust. My question is do you think most men could look at a woman wearing a sexing bikini without having desires in his heart of wanting to have sex with her? Most men I think wouldn’t pass the test. My advice is to stay away from such visual temptations if they cause lust in your heart.
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spencer2
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i once heard a priest say when you begin to fantasize about this object of affection then it becomes a sin. to avoid the sin, instead of thinking what you would like to do to her just say, “wow what a beautiful creation” and then move on.
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thistle
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The Church teaching:
CCC 2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
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Bookcat
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Yes…lust is not just in regards to pornography and sex…but can happen just looking a woman …as Jesus tells us in the Gospel of Matthew…Chapter 5 (RSV)
*"You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.’
But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.*
So we must not lust after anyone (for that is a grave matter for mortal sin if done with full knowledge and complete consent)…and avoid near occasions of mortal sin…
But remember there is a big difference between noticing a woman in a bikini cause…well there she is…and one automatically notices…and then upon noticing her turning away…(in fact the first of the first can have not sin at all…just ones eyes working…one happens to see her)
…and
… lusting after her. (such as seeking sexual arousal, consenting to lustful thoughts, consenting to sexual pleasure/arousal)
One should not scruple over it on the one hand and on the other hand take appropriate custody of the eyes (reasonable …not stressed out…)
(also there can be immodest looks…or looks of curiosity …which can be not lustful…but are venial sins…as well as there can be just plain attraction and seeing beauty and just noticing of a well proportioned body…though when it comes to bikini’s…I would turn away…for they can be at least an occasion of sin…etc…but in a relaxed way…not be anxious about it …for the fear can make such things worse…)
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upbeatjonm
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I have been struggling with the same questions and concerns. A book I am reading by St. Francis De Sales has a great passage that helps me:
Be then very courageous amid temptation, and never imagine yourself
conquered so long as it is displeasing to you, ever bearing in mind the
difference between experiencing and consenting to temptation, [181]
–that difference being, that whereas they may be experienced while
most displeasing to us, we can never consent to them without taking
pleasure in them, inasmuch as pleasure felt in a temptation is usually
the first step towards consent. So let the enemies of our salvation
spread as many snares and wiles in our way as they will, let them
besiege the door of our heart perpetually, let them ply us with endless
proposals to sin,–so long as we abide in our firm resolution to take
no pleasure therein, we cannot offend God any more than the husband of
the princess in my illustration could be displeased with her because of
the overtures made to her, so long as she was in no way gratified by
them. Of course, there is one great difference between my imaginary
princess and the soul, namely, that the former has it in her power to
drive away the messenger of evil and never hear him more, while the
latter cannot always refuse to experience temptation, although it be
always in its power to refuse consent. But how long soever the
temptation may persist, it cannot harm us so long as it is unwelcome to
us.
But again, as to the pleasure which may be taken in temptation
(technically called delectation), inasmuch as our souls have two parts,
one inferior, the other superior, and the inferior does not always
choose to be led by the superior, but takes its own line,–it not
unfrequently happens that the inferior part takes pleasure in a
temptation not only without consent from, but absolutely in
contradiction to the superior will. It is this contest which S. Paul
describes when he speaks of the “law in my members, warring against the
law of my mind,” [182] and of the “flesh lusting against the spirit.”
[183]
Be then very courageous amid temptation, and never imagine yourself
conquered so long as it is displeasing to you, ever bearing in mind the
difference between experiencing and consenting to temptation, [181]
–that difference being, that whereas they may be experienced while
most displeasing to us, we can never consent to them without taking
pleasure in them, inasmuch as pleasure felt in a temptation is usually
the first step towards consent. So let the enemies of our salvation
spread as many snares and wiles in our way as they will, let them
besiege the door of our heart perpetually, let them ply us with endless
proposals to sin,–so long as we abide in our firm resolution to take
no pleasure therein, we cannot offend God any more than the husband of
the princess in my illustration could be displeased with her because of
the overtures made to her, so long as she was in no way gratified by
them. Of course, there is one great difference between my imaginary
princess and the soul, namely, that the former has it in her power to
drive away the messenger of evil and never hear him more, while the
latter cannot always refuse to experience temptation, although it be
always in its power to refuse consent. But how long soever the
temptation may persist, it cannot harm us so long as it is unwelcome to
us.
But again, as to the pleasure which may be taken in temptation
(technically called delectation), inasmuch as our souls have two parts,
one inferior, the other superior, and the inferior does not always
choose to be led by the superior, but takes its own line,–it not
unfrequently happens that the inferior part takes pleasure in a
temptation not only without consent from, but absolutely in
contradiction to the superior will. It is this contest which S. Paul
describes when he speaks of the “law in my members, warring against the
law of my mind,” [182] and of the “flesh lusting against the spirit.”
[183]
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Bookcat
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In regards too looking at girls in general …From Jimmy Akin at Catholic Answers
jimmyakin.org/2009/01/appreciating-beauty-vs-concupiscence.html
jimmyakin.org/2009/01/appreciating-beauty-vs-concupiscence.html
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centurionguard
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Some Catholic monks and hermits might say it would profit many men if they became a contemplative single man living in a hermitage.
I mean what does a single or married man go to the popular local beach for?
Is it strictly to cool-off and swim?
Should a man keep his eyes fixated on the sand when confronted with women walking by with revealing bikini’s?
Better to stay at home. But if a man should be caught up in lust of sin with such visual enticements of scantly dressed women; what sin do women incur by wearing such clothing?
Seems to me the sin is wrought by both men and women in such circumstances.
And would a women incur lust in her heart if she was visually enticed by a man wearing a scantly bathing suit, bare chested walking down a beach?
Its a two way street when it comes to sinful thoughts with both men and women wearing scantly clothing on a beach.
Then again are so called evolved ungodly society likes it this way.
I mean what does a single or married man go to the popular local beach for?
Is it strictly to cool-off and swim?
Should a man keep his eyes fixated on the sand when confronted with women walking by with revealing bikini’s?Better to stay at home. But if a man should be caught up in lust of sin with such visual enticements of scantly dressed women; what sin do women incur by wearing such clothing?
Seems to me the sin is wrought by both men and women in such circumstances.
And would a women incur lust in her heart if she was visually enticed by a man wearing a scantly bathing suit, bare chested walking down a beach?
Its a two way street when it comes to sinful thoughts with both men and women wearing scantly clothing on a beach.
Then again are so called evolved ungodly society likes it this way.
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