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Does resurrection take place immediately after we die? Or will it take place at the end of time?
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Marc_Aupiais
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The human soul is aeviternal- that means it lasts forever.
Once we die, we either go to purgatorial cleansing to be “changed in the blink of an eye”, a long or short time into righteous souls from relatively righteous souls, or with God to heaven.
We can see and sense all that God thinks is important to our selves, and intercede for others.
When the final “resurrection” does take place, a final judgement may occur, but time is different for the aeviternal- because those in heaven are in aeviternity, not time, and so it would be forever, and a moment at once.
c.f. Summa theologica on aevernity.
Once we die, we either go to purgatorial cleansing to be “changed in the blink of an eye”, a long or short time into righteous souls from relatively righteous souls, or with God to heaven.
We can see and sense all that God thinks is important to our selves, and intercede for others.
When the final “resurrection” does take place, a final judgement may occur, but time is different for the aeviternal- because those in heaven are in aeviternity, not time, and so it would be forever, and a moment at once.
c.f. Summa theologica on aevernity.
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n2thelight
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The soul can die,and will for those who do not overcome
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Marc_Aupiais
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Says the “non-denominational” person.
The Catholic view is that the soul of men last forever, whether in heaven or hell at the end.
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Marc_Aupiais
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Marc_Aupiais
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Basically, we are judged now, and rewarded or condemned now, yet, after the last judgement, an actual bodily resurrection takes place.
This seems to be it, whether it is our physical bodies, is another story, we know it will be somewhat different than physical.
Temporarially, we start to expirience it all at present, and finally enter completion at the end of time.
This seems to be it, whether it is our physical bodies, is another story, we know it will be somewhat different than physical.
Temporarially, we start to expirience it all at present, and finally enter completion at the end of time.
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Todd_Easton
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If by ‘resurrection’ you mean ‘resurrection of the body,’ then, generally speaking, it will take place at the end of time.
I say ‘generally speaking’ because some people were bodily resurrected by the prophets in the Old Testament (1 Kings 17:21; 2 Kings 13:21) and by Jesus Christ during his earthly ministry (Luke 7:15; 8:55; John 11:44) and later by the apostles (Acts 9:40), though these people eventually died again. Also, Matthew 27:53 records that some kind of mass bodily resurrection occurred around Jerusalem shortly after Jesus’ own resurrection. And, from Jude 1:9, it appears that Moses was bodily resurrected, presumably never to die again, and assumed into heaven. The Blessed Virgin Mary, if she died, was bodily resurrected, never to die again, before she was assumed into heaven. Throughout Church history, there have been accounts of people being bodily resurrected by saints, such as St. Anthony of Padua, though these people eventually died again. The Book of Revelation (Revelation 11:11) tells us that the two witnesses will be bodily resurrected after three and a half days, presumably never to die again and assumed into heaven.
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There’s just one problem with that. We believe that if a person dies in the state of mortal sin, he goes to hell. Again, at the end of time, he will rise again (bodily resurrection) and his resurrected body will burn in hell. That seems unnecessary to me. If he’s already suffering in hell, why should he be given a resurrected body? To increase his suffering?
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Todd_Easton
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It seems to me, the reason those in hell also receive a resurrected body has to do with the human nature itself. A human being is a composite creature, with a spiritual soul and a physical body. Having a physical body is essential to being a complete human being; to be human, in the fullest sense of the word, one must have both a spiritual soul and a physical body. So, for someone to fully experience of the rewards of heaven or the punishments of hell, as a human being, he must have a physical body, as well as a spiritual soul.
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moondweller
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The resurrection of the body is not to be confused with resuscitation. That is, someone who died and by the power of God was resuscitated back to life, such as described in the Gospel accounts, like Lazarus.
Resurrection always has to do with the body. And that to a glorified body like Christ’s, or a body prepared for eternal damnation, the “Lake of fire.” The soul, being immaterial, does not need to be resurrected.
There are two “resurrections” in the future and are inclusive of all who are in the tombs (dead bodies). No one has been resurrected yet, except Jesus, He being the “first fruits.” That is, resurrected with a glorified body.
The “First Resurrection” is unto LIFE." Only the saved, the redeemed, take part in the “first resurrection” (Jn. 5:28-29; 1 Cor. 15:22-23; 1 Thess. 4:14-17:Rev 20:6 "Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years."The “first resurrection” takes place in two parts:
(1) At the rapture of the church when Christ comes for her in th air. First those who died in Christ are raised bodily, and then those alive at His coming will be translated instantly from mortal to immortal.1 Thess 4:14-18 “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of {the} archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord Therefore comfort one another with these words”(2) Subsequently, after the rapture of the church, and at the close of the seven year “Tribulation period,” at Christ’s return to this earth, all the martyrs of that period will be raised bodily (Rev. 19:4), along with all the O.T. saints.
The Church, the O.T. saints, and the tribulation martyrs all share in the “first resurrection” unto LIFE, and these will live and reign with Christ, with immortal, glorified bodies, on this earth for 1000 years when He returns as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Rev. 19:11-15; 20:6). At that time He inaugurates the Davidic Kingdom promised to Him, He being born the “Son of David” and rightful heir to his throne in Jerusalem (see Lk. 1:32-33).
The Second Resurrection is unto death, i.e., condemnation, judgment. This resurrection takes place after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth and entails all the unbelievers throughout human history, referred to as “the dead” (Rev. 20:5, compared to those who were alive in Christ). This judgment takes place at what’s called the “White Throne Judgment.” All who stand before it are destined for the “Lake of fire,” which is called the “second death” (Rev. 20: 11-15).
The second death has no power over true believers, the redeemed (saints). All who had part in the “first resurrection,” which was unto LIFE with Christ (Rev. 19:6).
We who have believed in Christ during this church age, especially, have the assurance of being resurrected unto LIFE with Christ our Lord. Paul reveals to us
hil 3:20-21 "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself."But there will be a generation of believers who will not experience death, but will be translated from mortal to immortal.- Status