When does the Pope ever do an Eastern Divine Liturgy, and when can we expect it to be done again?

[griego_catolico]

Blessed John Paul II celebrated or presided at 6 Byzantine Divine Liturgies during his pontificate:

July 10, 1988: Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine-Ukrainian rite for the Millennium of the Baptism of Saint Vladimir, Grand Duke (Pope was main celebrant.) Video. (Note: It erroneously states the liturgy is from 1996.)

August 18, 1991: Divine Liturgy celebrated in the Shrine of Our Lady of Máriapócs, Hungary (Pope was main celebrant.) Photo and article.

July 7, 1996: Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine-Ukrainian Rite on the 400th anniversary of the Union of Brest. (Pope was main celebrant.) Video.

October 27, 1996: Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine-Ruthenian rite on the occasion of the 350th anniversary of the Union of Uzhhorod (Pope presided, but departed after he gave the homily.)

June 25, 2001: Divine Liturgy in Byzantine rite at Chayka Airport, Kyiv (Pope presided, gave homily.)

June 27, 2001: Divine Liturgy in Byzantine rite with Beatifications - Hippodrome, Lviv. (Pope presided, gave homily and beatified 28 Greek Catholics.)

 

[ConstantineTG]

When any bishop celebrates, they should celebrate according to the Rite of their Church.

Curious though if anyone can chime in from the non-Chalcedonians, how do they do concelebration when their bishops get together?

 

[Filioque]

When any bishop celebrates, they should celebrate according to the Rite of their Church.

Curious though if anyone can chime in from the non-Chalcedonians, how do they do concelebration when their bishops get together?

From the Catholic perspective the Pope is the Supreme bishop of all the Churches. So he is omni ritual. While the Orthodox may not accept this concept, those Churches in Communion with Rome accept him as such, and his concelebration in the rites other than the Roman Rite are natural and accepted.

 

[mark42]

I’m sure ciero is already well-aware that the Holy Father can celebrate whatever Rite he wants. I think the point was just that it mixes the Roman with the Ukrainian and it looks weird and ciero thinks it’s more appropriate to stick to a purer form, understandable especially since Easterners aren’t very happy when their culture is Latinised.

I might disagree with ciero (I for one like it when Eastern things are given attention like this so us Romans can see it) but ciero surely already knows the Pope can very well do that but he/she just doesn’t like the implications.

With CA so available, EWTN, Cath. radio ect. how can some people be so narrow in thier thinking? Have they never seen an Eastern rite Mass? Some times I really miss all that smells & bells etc. of the Latin High Mass much like the Eastern celebration. It’s fully Catholic. At least the new language in the english mass is finally correct. Yea, ingorance is bliss.

 

[ConstantineTG]

From the Catholic perspective the Pope is the Supreme bishop of all the Churches. So he is omni ritual. While the Orthodox may not accept this concept, those Churches in Communion with Rome accept him as such, and his concelebration in the rites other than the Roman Rite are natural and accepted.

He is the Bishop of Rome and Rome uses a specific Rite.

 

[Bballer32]

He is the Bishop of Rome and Rome uses a specific Rite.

Yes indeed Rome indeed uses a specific rite but as Catholics we believe that the Pope is the Bishop of Rome and the Chief Shepherd of the Whole Catholic Church, which includes all of those in communion with Rome. He therefore can celebrate any Rite that is in communion with the Chair.

 

[theistgal]

And we know that Pope Francis has definitely celebrated the Divine Liturgy many times in the past (pre-Popishness).

 

[Aramis]

I just realized I have been to about 10 DL (Ruthenian) yet an Iconostasis has never been used. I always go to the pilgrimage site and the celebration is outside the Church (which has an Iconostasis) at the shrine of our Lady of Perpetual Help. olphshrine.com/about.shtml

Every time the Deacon, the Pastor, an Archpriest, and the Eparch along with some eastern nuns. Yet I’ve never heard mention that this may be inappropriate.

Is there a big difference between the DL with and w/o the Iconostatis?

Only whether the deacon incenses them…

Note that some parishes and missions lacking an iconostas mount the icons to the walls just outside the altar area. St. Nicholas in Anchorage did this. Then added the grillwork iconostas (with no icons upon it), then eventually added icons on the iconostas, then replaced that iconostas with a non-grillwork wooden one with larger icons.

When any bishop celebrates, they should celebrate according to the Rite of their Church.

Curious though if anyone can chime in from the non-Chalcedonians, how do they do concelebration when their bishops get together?

All bishops are omniritual - but no bishop is supposed to celebrate a rite other than that of their people… the faculty for any given rite for a bishop is from having a stable group of faithful of that rite in an organized canonical body. Usually a parish or mission, but possibly a monastery or even a society, order, or chapter of a society/order.

Few bishops are trained, however, in a rite other than their own and/or the Roman.

Likewise, Roman bishops with non-roman parishes often don’t have the proper vestments for those non-roman rites, and so wear what they have.

Note that the Pope, in his role as Bishop to the Bishops, has parishes under his omophor of all Catholic rites…

 

[HeebCath]

The pope is unique in that he is the only priest among Catholics that has omni-ritual faculties. In other words, he has the authority to celebrate a Mass or Divine Liturgy of ANY rite he so chooses. For practical reasons, however, this rarely happens. John Paul II celebrated two Ukrainian Byzantine rite Divine Liturgies, and on another thread it mentions that Pope Pius XI celebrated an Italo-Greek Byzantine rite Divine Liturgy.

Actually there are priests who are bi-ritual as well. Take Mitch Pacwa for example. He is a Roman Rite Jesuit, but also has the permission to celebrate the " Melkite Divine Liturgy as well. I also have been to a mass where the celebrant was from the Anglican Use Roman Rite.

 

[griego_catolico]

…Take Mitch Pacwa for example. He is a Roman Rite Jesuit, but also has the permission to celebrate the " Melkite Divine Liturgy as well…

Actually, he has faculties to celebrate the Maronite liturgy.

 

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