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Why did God send Jesus when he did?
The world population was 100 million.
Greek,Roman,Chinese,Jewish,Indian,Native philosophies were all failing.
Population, scientific, and medical advancements set to explode.
 
The Christ never came to go, and never left to come back. It is the Christianist misunderstanding of the Christ story that has you the victim of the belief that Christ was a person. Deepen your knowledge of history and philosophy and you will see. But especially deepen your knowledge of your Self.
 
The Christ never came to go, and never left to come back. It is the Christianist misunderstanding of the Christ story that has you the victim of the belief that Christ was a person. Deepen your knowledge of history and philosophy and you will see. But especially deepen your knowledge of your Self.
wow…that’d be seriously deep if it made any sense at all. :confused:
 
If it doesn’t make sense to you, then it was meant for someone else. That is OK.
 
The Christ never came to go, and never left to come back. It is the Christianist misunderstanding of the Christ story that has you the victim of the belief that Christ was a person. Deepen your knowledge of history and philosophy and you will see. But especially deepen your knowledge of your Self.
FYI: this is not what the Catholic Church teaches.
 
St Francis, I nearly became a priest. I know that that is not what the Chuch teaches. But it is a true statement, nevertheless, and sound advice. The pre-christianist injunction to “know thySelf” is far from a frivolous admonition.
 
The Ot describes the Word leaping down from heaven making midnight like noon.

Widom Ch 18

14 For while all things were in quiet silence, and the night was in the midst of her course, 15 Thy almighty word leapt down from heaven from thy royal throne, as a fierce conqueror into the midst of the land of destruction.

So, it seems that sin had reached it’s zenith. When human nature is darkest and most destructive.

:twocents: I believe the first coming happens at the zenith of material darkness and destruction. The next coming will happen at the zenith of spiritual darkness and destruction.
 
So, it seems that sin had reached it’s zenith. When human nature is darkest and most destructive.

:twocents: I believe the first coming happens at the zenith of material darkness and destruction. The next coming will happen at the zenith of spiritual darkness and destruction.
Agreed.

He came to plant the seed of light before the night fall so that as the next night fall came, the fruit of the light would be ready for the eternal marriage to its source.
 
Why did God send Jesus when he did?
The world population was 100 million.
Greek,Roman,Chinese,Jewish,Indian,Native philosophies were all failing.
Population, scientific, and medical advancements set to explode.
Christ took birth around the time when the tropical and the sidereal zodiacs coincided. Perhaps the wise men had this in mind.
 
Why did God send Jesus when he did?
The world population was 100 million.
Greek,Roman,Chinese,Jewish,Indian,Native philosophies were all failing.
Population, scientific, and medical advancements set to explode.
Ultimately, it happened when it did because it was God’s will.
It was the “fullness of time”.
 
It seems significant that, not much prior to that time, via philosophy and using reason alone man had postulated the existence of a god that had certain attributes not unlike the God revealed by Christianity.
 
I must take exception to the “reason alone” postulate. Reason is, as seen from the multitude of failed “proofs of God,” Those being concocted by the need to fortify an unsustainable belief. Does that mean that God isn’t? Absolutely not. Only that the rational faculty is inadequate to the task. Who would ask a thimble to hold the ocean.

However, we can say that all men stem from the same Source, as manifestations of the organization of forms in Universe. All men have a commonality. then, in that they are aware. This awareness, whose contents is pertinent to the individual, yet whose nature might be attributed to a Principle called Consciousness, can be a door way to adoration. But it is my experiential means, not by the rational. The experiential means is introspective self knowledge, which yields a kind of knowledge different from the ordinary subject/object mode of perception. That knowledge is Knowledge, as it refers to the only indisputable thing that anyone can know, which is I am. No man or woman can say they are not. This then is the provable route to the root of Understanding.

Fortunately, unlike religion, which is contents, and therefore modifiable by circumstance an belief, Self knowledge is indisputably rooted in the very nature that we call God given. It is an exploration of the container as built, not of the contents put in it a belief. Religion, then,is about as useful for reading the makers mark on the vessel as deciphering the admixture of liquids and solids it might contain. That study of contents may derivatively be there by the agency of the maker, but is yet not the vessel itself, which is what religions claim to be attempting to “save” by putting more stuff in it.

That is very much like claiming that my computer and “Word” are one. I sitting in my chair, witness the patterns of electrons dancing on a screen and say, functionally, that that program “is” my computer. That is like saying Catholicism, or any belief system, ie program, “is” the Truth. That ignores a few things. Like DOS and hardwiring, the manufacture process and, ultimately, that both the computer and I are different modes of organizations of electrons , etc, that are at a sub atomic level known to be constantly flashing in and out of existence.

So, while religions argue the merits of various programs that allege to describe the workings of the computer, there is yet a way of experiencing what it is fundamentally made of. That is the Way of Self Knowledge, or the Perennial Philosophy, or the Path of Discrimination, or the Way of the Lonely Ones, or whatever you wish to call it. But that is the path of direct realization, and is what the Jesus story in its many forms has been a map for through all the ages.

So what is significant, fhansen, is that by the very Nature of Man there has always been a direct way to God. Now, because about 2000 years ago, it was attempted to be made popular, it was also degraded in to a prophylactic. That happened when the story of the Jesus figure, or Iusa, as He was know earlier, was made into a historic figure. That transmogrification allotted to a single fictitious figure the entire potential of humanity to understand themselves as Being primarily, and humans secondarily. Thus arrived the horrors and brakes put on civilization by the Church. Not that others weren’t horrible, but the Church, being a faction of humanity, did its own part in its own way.

So today we have a way of holding God at arms length, and because of the mind’s propensity to claim its minuscule and distorted contents as 1:1 equal to the World, we claim still that “ours” is the One, Holy, True, and Apostolic way. Of course, other humans who have their won equally believable Saviour figures make the same claim. But blessed be us, fhansen, if anyone looks at what the underlying pattern (a word derived from “Father”) might be. So, all the kids are arguing about whose daddy it is, who’s adopted and whose not, and who He likes better as every one of them pray for Him to win their war on reality for them. All the while He is all of theirs Always and Already. They are just so busy arguing that they don’t hear Him. Those who have heard Him have always, from time immemorial, said “I AM (is) the Way.” “Be still, and know that I AM (is) God” “I,(not “me!” and the Father is One.” But because it is Knowledge by Identity and not by reason, it has to be made as a statement of “amness” to be accurate.

But all that is why for all that time it has been said as well “Gnothi Seauton.” “Know thySelf.” It is emphatically not religious, or contentual knowledge. Religion is fine in the beginning stages, as you don’t give the same course to a kindergartener as you do to a grad student. But we are teaching our grammar school kids that there is no University. The one room school house of the Church is it? Then why did Jesus speak in parables with their intrinsic minimum of three levels, and then take His disciples aside and teach them separately. The Church, my friend, only deals with the external and exoteric presentation. You have to storm through that to find Soul.

When did Jesus come when he did? The Father always sends the Son unbidden and unexpected at the right time. It is always when you are ready, believe it or not.
 
Yet who but God Himself could reveal the Christian God to man?

Cognizant (Son) of Himself (Father) God is Love ( Holy Spirit)

God knowing God spirates God. Only God could reveal the inner life of God.
 
Yet who but God Himself could reveal the Christian God to man?

Cognizant (Son) of Himself (Father) God is Love ( Holy Spirit)

God knowing God spirates God. Only God could reveal the inner life of God.
The Son, however, is not the Father; so the Son is not fully cognizant of the Father. Besides, the Son is generated by the Father. The Father is cognizant of Himself. The Father generates the Son, and spirates the Holy Spirit. Alternatively, the Father generates Wisdom, and spirates Love.
 
I must take exception to the “reason alone” postulate. Reason is, as seen from the multitude of failed “proofs of God,” Those being concocted by the need to fortify an unsustainable belief. Does that mean that God isn’t? Absolutely not. Only that the rational faculty is inadequate to the task. Who would ask a thimble to hold the ocean.
The idea that human history may’ve been ripe for Jesus due to certain advancements in knowledge may or may not be significant but I think it’s interesting. I’m not insinuating that early philosophers “found God” but I also don’t think Aristotle’s purpose was that of “trying to fortify an unsustainable belief”. And this is what makes it interesting-that, while his arguments may or may not satisfy everyone, and in any case certainly don’t pretend to prove that God possesses many of the characteristics that religion attributes to Him, he nevertheless arrived at a position that it was reasonable that a transcendent creator-god would exist-and I agree. And while it may be popular to discount or mistrust the role of reason in seeking and knowing the Transcendent-and while reason alone certainly is inadequate for that purpose- it’s nonetheless a part of the human make-up and without it we wouldn’t have the means to even ask the right questions or begin the quest. OTOH you maintain that people have always had access to God directly but I don’t know how accurate this is-even if it seems that it should be so. The fall and mans subsequent devolution into sin as described in the OT could be a description of mans state or disposition of a* voluntary * journeying away from direct realization of God, preferring that separation. It’s not necessarily religion that’s the enemy-we can be our own worst enemy.
So, while religions argue the merits of various programs that allege to describe the workings of the computer, there is yet a way of experiencing what it is fundamentally made of. That is the Way of Self Knowledge, or the Perennial Philosophy, or the Path of Discrimination, or the Way of the Lonely Ones, or whatever you wish to call it. But that is the path of direct realization, and is what the Jesus story in its many forms has been a map for through all the ages.
The Church doesn’t discount this. If she did then she’d have to discount the experiences of St Teresa of Avila et al, rather than make her a Doctor of the Church. But while I agree that these experiences should be accessible to all, I’m not sure they are if only because, while our faith teaches us to ask, seek, and knock, many prefer beer and football.

I’m not saying the Church can’t do a better job directing us. But while I think she can-and even already is doing a better job-you seem to think it’s not even within the realm of possibilities. I see her as a vessel holding a treasure we must reach out and grab and you seem to see her as having little or nothing positive to offer-or of misrepresenting herself as the treasure itself.
When did Jesus come when he did? The Father always sends the Son unbidden and unexpected at the right time. It is always when you are ready, believe it or not.
Absolutely true for us individually. And the Church points us to Him. As Augustine said:
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I found thee not, O Lord, without, because I erred in seeking thee without that wert within.**
 
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