When I Hear "Liturgical Dancer"

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RomanRyan1088:
Now wait a minute,

During WYD this year, wasn’t their some people performing their native African dance for Pope B16? I think so, so if it is good enough for the pope, it is good enough for me. (And this was done right before Adoration).

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Ryan
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It was planned before he became Pope.
Look for it to be gone next year.
 
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Zooey:
Is there any possibility that Fr Amorth might be willing to drop in my Methodist church the next time (please, God, after I am long, long, gone to my last reward!), that our “liturgical dancer” is on the menu–oops, I mean, scheduled to “perform”?
People who say, any time, any place but mass, have mercy on those of us who may be driven to tearing out our hair & screaming, if she ever, ever, appears again!!
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Here ya go Zooey! 🙂 Spirits are spirits…😃

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netmil(name removed by moderator):
It was planned before he became Pope.
Look for it to be gone next year.
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Well, it was good enough For John Paul ,its good enough for me.

JPII, pray for those that think EVERYTHING is wrong.

God Bless.
 
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RomanRyan1088:
Well, it was good enough For John Paul ,its good enough for me.

JPII, pray for those that think EVERYTHING is wrong.

God Bless.
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My Friend, there were LOTS of things that JPII approved of that B16 has to clean up.
Remember that Kissing the Quran thing??

St. Monica pray for those led astray by the lack of discipline under JPII who now think that anything goes.

God Bless.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
My Friend, there were LOTS of things that JPII approved of that B16 has to clean up.
Remember that Kissing the Quran thing??

St. Monica pray for those led astray by the lack of discipline under JPII who now think that anything goes.

God Bless.
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We need to remember that many of the functions on papal visits were set up by the diocese “leaders” – while bishop Marini was the Litirugical Master of Ceremonies and allowed many things in an “en masse” situation which would not ordinarily be occurring in local liturgical services he has also come under heavy criticism for doing so all the way up through some of the curia.

It also should be said that World Youth Days were a “new thing” for popes and I think in many cases the pope and those concerned let them “grow on their own” – we now have a liturgical history of events and I expect like any other major event, we shall see some changes and some things will stay the same. Hopefully the St Louis brazier bowls will be a thing of the past.
 
For people who ask what’s wrong with “liturgical dance”, one of the errors is that it is strictly a performer/spectator situation. Unlike music, where sometimes the choir may sing while other times the entire congregation sings, with dance the entire congregation never dances. Thus, whatever else may be wrong with LD, it also excludes the active (or actual) participation called for by Vatican II. LD is anti-Vatican II.

And no, I don’t think the solution is for the entire congregation to start dancing, though I know it’s only a matter of time in some places. :rolleyes:
 
My first experience with liturgical dance was at a diocesan mass. First came the dancers in flowing white dresses carrying huge ceramic bowls filled with incense. I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. It looked like a Cecil B. DeMill production. Then came dancers in flowing pastel dresses. Each was carrying a 10’ high wooden pole with a cross beam at the top. From the cross beam extended pastel colored ribbons. I thought they were going to do a May pole dance but thankfully they just kinda shook and swayed them. Then came even more dancers with 10’ poles which had pastel banners. I don’t know what any of that was supposed to symbolize but if you see the looks of the people around me - well most were standing with their mouths open and this look of utter shock on their faces. Oh yes. The music was “Lift High the Cross”.
 
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VociMike:
True story. One Christmas we went to midnight Mass, and after Communion I was kneeling in the pew and praying (mostly just saying “Thank You!”). I had my eyes closed, and at some point I noticed a slight “clump, thumpity, clump”. It soon became “Thump, Clumpity, Thump” and then “CLUMP, THUMPITY, CLUMP”. I opened my eyes to see who was driving livestock down the aisle and just as I did, to my great surprise, a gaggle of liturgical dancers thundered by. Whatever prayerful thoughts I was having were replaced by some very sour ones.

And yes, the Grecian urn scene pretty much conveys the tone of the whole episode.
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Same thing happened to me but at Easter vigil Mass. I was thinking the exact same thing about the live stock. I was so upset that I just knelt and prayed the rosary the rest of Mass. After communion was finished the “EM’s” as they call them poured out the precious blood left over into one big bowl on a side table. That was the last straw. Complaints were sent to the Archbishop. I dont think they have done that again.
 
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OurLadyOfEfes:
After communion was finished the “EM’s” as they call them poured out the precious blood left over into one big bowl on a side table.
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What did they do with it then?
 
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Elzee:
What did they do with it then?
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They just left it sit there until the end of Mass. I hope they did not pour it down the drain but I think they may have seeing all the disregard for anything sacred in that parish. I hope they consumed it properly.

There were many more abuses during the Mass that I did not mention in the post as it would have taken a week to list them all.
 
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OurLadyOfEfes:
They just left it sit there until the end of Mass. I hope they did not pour it down the drain but I think they may have seeing all the disregard for anything sacred in that parish. I hope they consumed it properly.
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And I think seeing some of our “EMs” drink the remaining Precious Blood while walking from their station to the table in the sanctuary like it was a glass of iced tea was bad! I would have flipped at what you saw! I’ll pray for that parish. * (I know there’s a name for this small table off to the side of the altar but I can’t remember what it is - sorry!)
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I usually don’t respond to posts about liturgical dancing, for a variety of reasons, but this one…

For a while, I was at a parish that had a group of Vietnamese nuns. In their culture and tradition, dancing is an expresion of worship. At the presentation of the gifts, several of the young nuns “danced”, which is NOT to say that they flitted about aimlessly, but that they reverently preceded the gifts with incense and candles. Again, this is in keeping with their tradition, and done to a song, which we all participated in, in Vietnamese, that praised the beauty of all God’s creation, and Him as creator of all.

Now, what makes me shudder, is the thought that some of the “dancing” that I have seen at High Schools and night clubs might be used as the model for “Liturgical Dancing” in the thought that the glorification of sexuality (pardon me, make that sex) and some warped sense of “beauty” might be pleasing to God!
 
I have seen a Vietnamese choir and liturgical dancers at an ordination. When viewed in context of their culture, it is appropriate and sacred. The same thing could be said of Native Americans and I remember clearly the Aztec liturgical dancers who provided the entrance procession when JPII visited Mexico. That is not disturbing to me since it is part of their ethnic culture. Unless it was during the Middle Ages when such things were more common (Christmas carols were originally sung and danced), most of the “liturgical dancing” of western civilization done today is based upon modern dance movements. I mean do we really want Riverdance down the main aisle of church?
 
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