When Jesus dies. why is the temple veil broken?

[chromatica]

i read the Bible. it talks about things that i do not know. but that is ok. a lot of Catholic things are like this.

i watch ewtn. Father Corapi is a Master over the people he is talking to. it is strange. confuses me. i don’t watch him. i like the person who explains what Catholics do during holidays. i like the things they show about Catholic history. i had lamb for Easter. it is the first time i eat lamb in my life. i don’t know any Catholics. only the people i know from RCIA. i cook lamb on Sunday at home. only i know why.

i think it is good to be Catholic your whole life. i think some times about what that is like. i don’t know. i just go to school and play outside and play games when i am young. i watch movies. when i was in high school a friend showed me tarot. she had a shrine with candles in her basement. it was strange to me. but tarot i use it for many years. now i don’t. the church says not to. i keep my cards in a drawer. i have many different. all beautiful art. the art that shows Saints on cards reminds me of them. stained glass in churches. it is the same. symbols that help me understand. the tearing of a veil sounds like a symbol. that is why i ask the meaning. symbols say more than words. symbols can say different things. i like the different answers people give.

a group of people at work made a cake for my birthday. a long time ago. they surprise me and sing to me. no one did this before. i cried very stupid and very loud. like it was for a dead person! i hide in a bathroom. they were sad. i felt bad. i don’t know why it made me sad. at times i feel that same sadness at Mass. once i cried the same stupid and loud and left early. something Father said.

i belong to God. i am ok.

 

[allhers]

You are indeed “God’s child”.

The shortest verse of the Bible is:

“Jesus wept.”

Sometimes His love for us does overwhelm us and the people you worked with were
showing you His love. You were probably overwhelmed for a few minutes is all. (Same thing at Mass, it would be alright to come back after you had composed yourself.) Of course you were probably embarressed, but hey, it happens. A great Priest, Padre Pio, now St. Pio often use to cry during Mass, he was so over come at the concencration. (He was the one who had the stigmata.)

Since you like symbolism, you would probably relate more to art then. There is a good article on the symbols in Scritpure at Adoremus (another great Catholic site)here:
adoremus.org/1108ScriptureSymbols.html

It is titled: In Search of Lost Symbols in Scripture.

The article explains how Scripture relates to art. Like this for example:

This is a way of seeing — and understanding — the causal relations among historical, meta-historical, and supernatural events, a way different from our own: this manner of seeing — and understanding — influenced the manner in which the contents of the text were read, imagined, and depicted…

For example, it explains the symbolism of “Tree of Jesse”, (Used often at Christmas.)

and this:

By the liturgy, we mean the entire complex of ecclesiastical rites, with — at the center — the Eucharistic liturgy or Mass. The texts of the Mass, which vary according to the feasts or periods of the year, effectively require a sort of community “lectio divina”, a docility in the interpretation of the event or person celebrated, which we must call contemplative. Everything is continually brought back to the mystical center of the Christian faith, the sacrifice that Christ accomplished by dying on the cross, and to the new life of His resurrection. Even **on Christmas Eve, the readings at Mass require connecting the joy of birth with the dramatic fact of death on the cross; the infant body in the manger, the crucified body of the adult man, the “Corpus Christi” really present in the Eucharistic bread and the “Mystical Body” constituted by the community gathered in prayer become one and the same thing. **

This is why the fresco in the basilica of Assisi, depicting Saint Francis placing the Child in the manger of the crèche in Greccio, is situated beneath a large cross and next to the altar. (my bold)

(St. Francis has always been one of my favorite Saints.)

It explains how in a monastary:

The objects, even the humble ones, suddenly are perceived as signs that reveal the solidarity between man and the sacred, steps on the ladder reaching from earth to heaven. Precisely in this spirit, Saint Benedict says that even the ordinary implements of the monastery must be treated as if they were sacred vessels for the liturgy (Regula 31:10).

This is a sacramental way of seeing, in which the surface of things becomes transparent in order to reveal an infinite perspective, granting power to images.

A depiction of the Last Supper in a monastic refectory, like the one by Leonardo da Vinci at Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan, is not only a decoration, but also a functional object that communicates and nourishes the faith from which it emerges.

 

[chromatica]

thank you

the day i left Mass early i didn’t go back in. i couldn’t stop crying. it was a long time that i sit in my car. i was not baptized. i did not miss Communion.

i like that symbols are sacramental. i see this at Mass. a thing like a medal is holy when Father blesses it. i receive the Eucharist and i am the same. i see all as connected. symbols made real. i like St. Jerome for how He sees this in scripture. a stained glass at church shows him.

maybe this is the veil being broken. a symbol made real by Jesus.

i have a busy imagination. at times i sit in the church and i feel like i am inside an egg. those that the Russian made for a czar. faberlle? I can’t remember. all the angels and saints holding us inside. at East Vigil it is more this way with all the light,singing and incense. very powerful symbols come to life. i get dizzy.

 

[allhers]

That was a very beautiful and profound thing that you said:

“…a symbol made real by Jesus.”

Exactly!

I love that. I like the way you think, God teaches you very well in those ways. You understand in a way that most people probably never even think about. St. Jerome probably understood in the exact same way.

Those stained glass windows had very holy and very gifted people making them, people that were concencrated to God. (who lived their life for God.) They are not just any old window, they all have meaning. You seem to understand that very well.

Windows to the soul.

Like icons. Jesus is present to us in EVERYTHING.

When I was very young, one of my aunts brought us one of those eggs that you spoke of a couple of times, they really did have a lot of symbolism and yet at the same time, a lot of rich beauty that conveyed how real God is. I use to love looking into them and seeing, like you said, (with your experience with being inside Church as if you are in one of those eggs)…being held in the palm of God’s hand, enclosed in a little world that no one else could see.

Thank you for reminding me about that. God is so good!!

 

[chromatica]

people most of the time think i am a strange when i say what is in my head. give me strange looks. i make people feel strange i think. it has been this way all my life. so i stop saying what is in my head.

in school a teacher read a poem and said we should say what the poem was about. i am thinking it is about a person being tied and tortured. i raise my hand to say this. so did a girl. the teacher asks the girl first. she says a shoelace. the teacher then asks me what i think the poem is about. i said i think the same thing. a shoelace. it scared me to think what if the teacher asks me first.

it was the first time i know that how i think is not right. i don’t answer questions. i think that is the best thing. i wait to hear how other people think first. i say i don’t know.

i do the same thing with being Catholic. at RCIA they would ask what we think a scripture means. i never answer. i only listen. most of the time what i think was ok.

 

[allhers]

When I was little, those eggs I spoke about earlier were made of thick sugar, with icing and probably marzipan figures (which, in case you don’t know what that is, its edible too), my brothers and sisters always wanted to eat them right away, I wanted to just gaze into them. My mother would make them wait until I was satisfied with looking at them before she’d let them eat them. I was sad that they didn’t last very long in our house, but I had 8 brothers and sisters and nothing that was edible lasted long.

I’m glad that you don’t wait for others to speak on here before you say what you think. I heard a long time ago that we all need to take someone who is further along, on the journey with us, some are further along on that journey to Christ and I think that is why they aren’t always understood, the other’s just aren’t there yet. That is why they sometimes don’t understand your way of thinking probably.

Sometimes, depending on who I am around, I am further along, and sometimes I am way far behind, when I am further along I have to remember that patience is a virtue.
When I am way far behind, I learn. Sometimes, like now, I feel like we are both possibly in the same place and since I have been Catholic my entire life, you must be way far ahead. Imagine if you had been Baptized as a baby.

Do you know about today being Divine Mercy Sunday? Here is a link to that if you would like to read more about it. (You can click on the links to the left of the page.)

ewtn.com/devotionals/mercy/image.htm

You’re Parish or one close to you may be celebrating it. Usually they do so at 3:00 in the afternoon today.

It’s also all over the EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network) today if you have that.
ewtn.com/tv/index2.htm

This is the Divine Mercy Novena Prayer:

I fly to Your Mercy, Compassionate God, Who alone are good. Although my misery is great and my offenses are many, I trust in Your Mercy because You are the God of Mercy, and it has never been heard of in all ages, nor do Heaven or Earth remember, that a soul trusting in Your Mercy has been disappointed.

(State your intentions)

Jesus, Friend of a lonely heart, You are my haven.
You are my peace.
You are my salvation.
You are my serenity in moments of struggle and amidst an ocean of doubts.
Amen

ewtn.com/Devotionals/Novena/divine.htm

It explains the Divine Mercy Chaplet on one of the above links too which is normally prayed daily at 3:00 in the afternoon.

Perhaps you were right about the poem, do you remember what it was? I’d like to read it and see what I think.

 

[chromatica]

i know these eggs. i see them in stores. they look like sugar cubes made to a shape of an egg.

i always think i say something wrong. i don’t write most of what i think. at times i forget and write too much. then i feel embarrassed.

i don’t think i am further along. i meet different people. they know different things. at times i don’t believe. i think today that it does not matter. i did not go to Mass. i read the Divine Mercy novena. every day. it says today bring me sinners.of different kinds. i wake up today thinking God only wants sinners.

i cannot find the shoelace poem. i was young. the teacher read it when i was 9 or 10. it would be good to read it again. not as a child.

 

[allhers]

Well now that does change things



We are all sinners and He does want us all. We sin in our thoughts, words, actions and inactions.

I am glad you are reading the Novena, perhaps somewhere along the way you will understand more. It does matter everyday, each day that we have is the only day that the Lord has given us, we are given one day at a time. THIS DAY

Maybe the next time you wake up thinking it doesn’t matter you could say this prayer, it would be good to say it every morning if you can.

MORNING OFFERING PRAYER
O Jesus, through the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
I offer you all my prayers, works,
and suffering of this day:
for all the intentions of your Sacred heart,
in union with the holy sacrifice of the Mass
throughout the world,
in reparation for all my sins,
and in particular,
for the intentions of our Holy Father, Amen.

 

[chromatica]

thank you

people are nice here. but i think i will go now.

 

[allhers]

Okay, bye for now.

I have enjoyed talking with you and perhaps we’ll see one another on the formun sometime in the future.

Be sure to read the part of the Divine Mercy where it says this: His Mercy Endures Forever. Since you are Catholic now, you can go to confession and start anew.

We’re all a work in progress. Sometimes it takes a whole lifetime

 

[chromatica]

i don’t know God has a place for me. i like to think so. i think at Mass i can pretend.

God created me and then says how He created me is a sin. like a joke. only not funny. i think i pretend that i am a thing i am not. i have a dream that tells me i pretend. there is no point. it does not matter. God created me the way i am. it is not who i want to be. i pretend for a long time that i am not. then i dream of women. in a sexual way. i don’t ask to have this dream. i am not thinking of this. after i dream i can not stop thinking and looking. i don’t know why i pretend i am a thing i am not. i can be all the things God says i should. this i do not have a way to stop. only if i stop life. then it would be gone.

life as a Catholic is all me doing wrong. all the time. if i live this way for long i think i will be dead. i think there is no point. i work hard to be good. being good is not me. it is making myself not be a lot of things. one time i am not good and i die today i go to hell. all my work to be good means nothing. prayers. fasting. fearing that i sin at every place. no point. just like that. God rejects me. that is getting thrown away fast. no one i know discards as easy. i don’t know the point. i think the point is. there is no point. i think i don’t want to be Catholic any more. maybe go to Mass once in a while. to pretend that God wants the thing He created.

 

[agbasinger]

Perhaps it refers to this reference that I found on a Jewish website:

Traditional Jewish funerals are very simple and usually relatively brief. Before they begin, the immediate relatives of the deceased – siblings, parents, children, spouse – tear their garments to symbolize their loss.

Great find!

 

[chromatica]

sorry to every one. i get lost at times. say things i should not. i am sorry to be rude.

 

[mrs_miggins]

Hi Chromatica

You come across in your messages as very sad. You are obviously going through emotional distress at the moment and doubting your faith. Is there someone you can talk to, more face to face. A priest or Samaritans maybe, as it sounds like there are underlying reasons why you feel this way about yourself. You obviously feel unloved - please try to remember the Our Father loves us more than we could ever comprehend. Go to him in prayer - every time you have a dream you do not like. Often, as I have come closer to God, the devil has given me thoughts or dreams and made me wonder what is going on in my brain ! But it is just an attack by the devil so we leave our walk with God - do not let him win !

You are in my prayers - remember we on this forum are your family and we love you as such, and so we would not judge you for what you are posting when you are in this distressed state of mind.

God Bless You.

 

[kyria]

sorry to every one. i get lost at times. say things i should not. i am sorry to be rude.

Don’t worry about it. Today I am wondering if being a Catholic is a curse or a blessing and if in fact my soul might be retarded. You’re not rude, although maybe you need to start another thread and put your troubles down there.

We all get lost at times.

 

[chromatica]

i think about what i think. what i say. i think all God does for me. i say things that don’t match. i think it is rude.

i am two people. i tell the one who is rude and not thinking right to get with it.

 

[wcknight]

Chromatica, it doesn’t appear that you have offended anyone. No need to apologize. Everyone has doubts once in a while. It’s part of being human.

As far as the curtain/veil being torn, I have a different idea. I always get the impression when I hear this verse that God was showing his displeasure at mankind for having tortured and murdered His Son.

Frankly I’m surprised that God’s reaction was not even more violent. I might have struck down the high priest and the Sanhedrin as well, not to mention all the false witnesses who lied about Jesus at his trial. It’s not often that God gets angry, but I imagine that when He does, it is not a pretty sight. Just look at the OT with the great flood or Sodom and Gomorrah. After railroading and killing His Son, I would think God would have been really ticked off !! We’re lucky He didn’t destroy everything and start it all, all over. But then again in a way he did start everything over.

I also think it was God’s way of showing to the world that Jesus was indeed the Son of God. The centurion got the message, because as this was going on, he says " This was indeed the Son of God".

 

[chromatica]

Chromatica, it doesn’t appear that you have offended anyone. No need to apologize. Everyone has doubts once in a while. It’s part of being human.

As far as the curtain/veil being torn, I have a different idea. I always get the impression when I hear this verse that God was showing his displeasure at mankind for having tortured and murdered His Son.

Frankly I’m surprised that God’s reaction was not even more violent. I might have struck down the high priest and the Sanhedrin as well, not to mention all the false witnesses who lied about Jesus at his trial. It’s not often that God gets angry, but I imagine that when He does, it is not a pretty sight. Just look at the OT with the great flood or Sodom and Gomorrah. After railroading and killing His Son, I would think God would have been really ticked off !! We’re lucky He didn’t destroy everything and start it all, all over. But then again in a way he did start everything over.

I also think it was God’s way of showing to the world that Jesus was indeed the Son of God. The centurion got the message, because as this was going on, he says " This was indeed the Son of God".

i think God makes a big point.