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And he demonstrates that there are greeat risks with these surgical procedures, and that profound regret is a possibility.
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Ridgerunner
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I am not a psychiatrist and don’t purport to have any expertise in this subject. But then, I’m not sure anyone does, and, like homosexuality, it will no longer be seriously studied because it is being accepted as “normal”.
I realize this isn’t the same thing, or at least not quite the same thing, but there have been people who thought of themselves as wolves. “Lycanthropy” I believe it’s called. Or at least they thought (some undoubtedly do today) of themselves as werewolves. And they would act out on it.
Was that pure craziness or was there something additional to that? Did they perhaps want the power and the dominance of a wolf; perhaps also the consciencelessness of an animal of prey? If so, how did it come to that?
A man cannot become a woman, really, and I truly do wonder why some men think of themselves as women when they manifestly are not and, perhaps more importantly, when they do not experience a great deal of what it is to truly be a woman. Not all women become pregnant. Not all even experience menarche. But those things are significant parts of being a woman. Getting accustomed to one’s body from girlhood through puberty into adulthood is a big part of being a woman. Being maternal is important for most women, even for career women. That’s a complex thing, and I, as a man, do not purport to understand more than superficially what that is to a woman. The “biological clock” and menopause are big events in a woman’s life. Women claim that men don’t understand them very well, and I think they’re probably right about that.
The guys who purport to turn into women experience none of that.
As with other sexual abnormalities, one suspects that at some point in their lives something went wrong. Something focused in the wrong way and on the wrong thing. Why do some fetishists obsess about shoes? We don’t know, but it is thought that somehow the sexual focus went wrong.
I recall being told by a young woman that her husband started taking estrogen obtained somewhere, and was cross-dressing and all that. She also described how domineering he was becoming and she began to be afraid of him. It was like he couldn’t stand the thought of her existence in a way; certainly not of her accomplishing anything, and it seemed clear to me he was, or could become, a danger to her.
She then said his “becoming a woman” was beginning to seem to her a strange way of possessing “what it is to be a woman”. She, herself, as an objective woman, was not sufficient. He had to possess femininity utterly, and the only way he could truly feel he did was by “becoming one”. One gets a fleeting recollection of those savages who somehow thought they could possess the strength or cunning of a vanquished enemy by eating him. Sexual perverts sometimes do that, we understand.
It struck me as almost the ultimate in narcissim, or at least a particular sort of narcissism. The mythical Narcissus, as we know, fell in love with his own image mirrored in a pool and, in an attempt to embrace that image he loved so dearly, fell in and drowned.
Why do rapists rape? Well, we’re told, it isn’t lust, it’s hatred, or at least anger. Somehow some event or experience or something made them angry or hateful toward women. It doesn’t matter who the woman is, particularly, it’s about womanhood, femininity. It’s the idea, not the reality. Do rapists even know that? One doubts it.
Men struggle with women. We do. Yes, yes, they’re human beings just like us and all that, but we desire them in many ways. They complete us. We need them, or at least a lot of us do. And “le difference” is both a fascination and a struggle. But we can never possess them utterly, or what it is to be them, and we shouldn’t try. I am me. She is she.
While I realize the impulses of “the transgendered” are said to be enormously strong, I am not personally persuaded that anything about it is genuine or good, any more than I am persuaded that rapists rape out of lust or that Lycanthropists really are wolves or truly werewolves.
I don’t pretend to really understand any of those things, but it seems to me the same is true of all of the above. It’s an obsession with the idea of something that has its proper reality outside oneself, but which one is somehow trying to “make his own” in a way that can never truly be.
Transgenderism strikes me as an extremely sad phenomenon, and perhaps once embraced it can never be cured. But it also seems to me it should never be called “brave” and never encouraged in any other way.
I realize this isn’t the same thing, or at least not quite the same thing, but there have been people who thought of themselves as wolves. “Lycanthropy” I believe it’s called. Or at least they thought (some undoubtedly do today) of themselves as werewolves. And they would act out on it.
Was that pure craziness or was there something additional to that? Did they perhaps want the power and the dominance of a wolf; perhaps also the consciencelessness of an animal of prey? If so, how did it come to that?
A man cannot become a woman, really, and I truly do wonder why some men think of themselves as women when they manifestly are not and, perhaps more importantly, when they do not experience a great deal of what it is to truly be a woman. Not all women become pregnant. Not all even experience menarche. But those things are significant parts of being a woman. Getting accustomed to one’s body from girlhood through puberty into adulthood is a big part of being a woman. Being maternal is important for most women, even for career women. That’s a complex thing, and I, as a man, do not purport to understand more than superficially what that is to a woman. The “biological clock” and menopause are big events in a woman’s life. Women claim that men don’t understand them very well, and I think they’re probably right about that.
The guys who purport to turn into women experience none of that.
As with other sexual abnormalities, one suspects that at some point in their lives something went wrong. Something focused in the wrong way and on the wrong thing. Why do some fetishists obsess about shoes? We don’t know, but it is thought that somehow the sexual focus went wrong.
I recall being told by a young woman that her husband started taking estrogen obtained somewhere, and was cross-dressing and all that. She also described how domineering he was becoming and she began to be afraid of him. It was like he couldn’t stand the thought of her existence in a way; certainly not of her accomplishing anything, and it seemed clear to me he was, or could become, a danger to her.
She then said his “becoming a woman” was beginning to seem to her a strange way of possessing “what it is to be a woman”. She, herself, as an objective woman, was not sufficient. He had to possess femininity utterly, and the only way he could truly feel he did was by “becoming one”. One gets a fleeting recollection of those savages who somehow thought they could possess the strength or cunning of a vanquished enemy by eating him. Sexual perverts sometimes do that, we understand.
It struck me as almost the ultimate in narcissim, or at least a particular sort of narcissism. The mythical Narcissus, as we know, fell in love with his own image mirrored in a pool and, in an attempt to embrace that image he loved so dearly, fell in and drowned.
Why do rapists rape? Well, we’re told, it isn’t lust, it’s hatred, or at least anger. Somehow some event or experience or something made them angry or hateful toward women. It doesn’t matter who the woman is, particularly, it’s about womanhood, femininity. It’s the idea, not the reality. Do rapists even know that? One doubts it.
Men struggle with women. We do. Yes, yes, they’re human beings just like us and all that, but we desire them in many ways. They complete us. We need them, or at least a lot of us do. And “le difference” is both a fascination and a struggle. But we can never possess them utterly, or what it is to be them, and we shouldn’t try. I am me. She is she.
While I realize the impulses of “the transgendered” are said to be enormously strong, I am not personally persuaded that anything about it is genuine or good, any more than I am persuaded that rapists rape out of lust or that Lycanthropists really are wolves or truly werewolves.
I don’t pretend to really understand any of those things, but it seems to me the same is true of all of the above. It’s an obsession with the idea of something that has its proper reality outside oneself, but which one is somehow trying to “make his own” in a way that can never truly be.
Transgenderism strikes me as an extremely sad phenomenon, and perhaps once embraced it can never be cured. But it also seems to me it should never be called “brave” and never encouraged in any other way.
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Thomas1981
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Get ready for “otherkin” and transethnic. Why not?
gawker.com/5940947/from-otherkin-to-transethnicity-your-field-guide-to-the-weird-world-of-tumblr-identity-politics
gawker.com/5940947/from-otherkin-to-transethnicity-your-field-guide-to-the-weird-world-of-tumblr-identity-politics
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mikekle
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I could not have said it better myself!! Bruce Jenner needs a serious wake up call LOL Why are sooo many people interested in what a washed up athlete is doing anyway? didnt his 15 minutes of fame end decades ago? Seems like he is more interested in having TV cameras all around him all the time (vanity much? LOL), or he is trying to ride the coat tails of his kids (even lower scum). I bet he has mirrors all over his house, so he can constantly look at himself!!
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808Catholic
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We are called to care for our brothers and sisters in Christ, that’s why we care about Mr. Jenner. We care that he believes he was in pain and that he feels the only way to deal with this pain is to undergo radical surgery and hormone treatment. We care that he is focused on his body and not on his soul; the body will die and return to dust but his soul will continue on for eternity. Most importantly, we pray he finds peace as God created him and not give in to the temptations of self-glory, pride, and mutilation.
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rae317
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People (born male and female) transition to relieve the gender dysphoria they experience, and it generally works very well. If you know of another cure please share.
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mikekle
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How is that possible for them to feel better when they delve deeper into the sin?
They may outwardly say they feel so much better now (after the full surgery), but I would bet, on the inside, they are RAGING. Generally, the further you go into a particular sin, the worse it gets.
- Im sorry about my comment in my previous post, I realize that was not a nice thing to call someone, who is going thru something I dont understand.
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Rau
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You base your reasoning on a premise that you understand, but which is shared by the person suffering dysphoria.
This is speculation, again based on a premise that may not be shred by the sufferer.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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Because it isn’t sin, it is them being more authentically them instead of lying to everyone, they are embracing truth over lies.
The one transwoman I know well has in fact become a far better Catholic as a result of transitioning, going from attending Mass once every couple months to attending Mass most days, she prays more than ever and is a much more loving person. If she were descending into a sin she wouldn’t be becoming a better Catholic especially not a daily Mass going Liturgy of the Hour praying one who appears unnaturally happy.
It was a calumnious post.
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JimG
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I’m not a psychiatrist either, but I do agree that a man can not become a woman. I don’t see how this is any different that any other psychological condition that entices us to focus wrongly on some particular aspect of our sexuality at the expense of recognizing reality.
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WonderAndAwe
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Perhaps he feels guilt and shame for it but has pride too strong to admit that he mad a horrid mistake and became more devout in an attempt to silence the shame of what he did because he bought the ideological falsities of trangenderism hook, line and sinker, hoping that by becoming closer to God that He will look upon the sabotage of His craftsmanship as anything other than an insult to the Creator of Creation?
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rae317
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That has not been my experience.
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Thomas1981
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Does the Church actually have a position on this? I can’t seem to find it.
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808Catholic
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CCC 2332 “Sexuality affects all aspects of the human person in the unity of his body and soul. It especially concerns affectivity, the capacity to love and to procreate, and in a more general way the aptitude for forming bonds of communion with others.”
“…the capacity to love AND procreate…” God created man for a purpose and woman for a purpose. Attempting to thwart His purpose is the sin same as voluntary sterilization.
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Mimi
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I tend to agree, though I don’t know any trans-ppl personally, I do have 1 experience that leads me to believe indulgent self-love is one of the aspects of this phenomenon. Someone I care for deeply posted photos of himself on facebook when he decided to ‘come out’ female. I was v shocked. The answer is Theology of the Body and knowing who you are as God designed you and to live in that reality.
An even greater puzzle of the popularity and support of the trans-phenomenon is the quick and popular acceptance in the larger culture. Trans-ppl are only about .25 to .30 % of the population, yet we are ordered to kow-tow to their special demands, sometimes at the risk of being fined (as in schools who don’t cooperate making bathrooms uni-sex). This is social tyranny, IMO, and I also think it will likely get worse and more strident.
Yes, let’s do pray for all who struggle with gender dysphoria, that God will lead them to His true agape Love and peace.
Mimi
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