When people think of birth control as "protection" - reframing the paradigm

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I find it insulting when doctors refer to contraception as “protection” when I have made it explicitly known that I am married. I need protection from my own husband??
I’m sure they intend no insult, and I’m sure you know they are not suggesting that you need to be protected from your husband. The intended meaning of the word “protection” is perfectly clear in this context. I can agree it is not a great choice of word, but some here are choosing to make an undue issue over the word (by being unnecessarily literal) more so than the substance of the issue.
 
I find it quite disturbing when a doctor tells my friend who just gave birth 3 months ago and found out she is pregnant today… “do you want an abortion?” My friend went off on her doctor! I wish I was there to see it.
I find it grossly incompetent of the doctor. Why make an assumption about the patient’s attitude to her pregnancy, or indeed that perhaps an abortion is desired, when the patient is sitting right in front of you and can express their desires at any time.
 
no I wasn’t, but unfortunately this situation can and does happen. by a relative, a friend…and the victim is too scared or embarrassed to tell someone, but brave enough to obtain birth control or forced to.
If you are not intending sexual relations, you can feel free to take whatever legal pills you like.
 
I find it grossly incompetent of the doctor. Why make an assumption about the patient’s attitude to her pregnancy, or indeed that perhaps an abortion is desired, when the patient is sitting right in front of you and can express their desires at any time.
This happens all the time this is not an isolated incident. Usually when you find out you are pregnant the doctor introduces the idea of abortion. Some doctors are more bolden and verbally offer/suggest an abortion and others simply hand you the “abortion brochure”. I’d like to think that there are doctors who don’t do either of these, but abortion being offered is definitely the norm.
 
Perhaps it is not fear of children, but rather fear of having to put someone else’s need before their own. In that case it’s not fear, but flat out selfishness. It would seem to align with a motto of “me, myself and I before all else.” That certainly seems to align with the example of Christ.
Yes, that’s exact it, or at least a sizeable part of the thing people choose to “protect” themselves from - the call on their time that a child represents. But having said that, we are not required to produce children to the max, or to some special level that neutralises a possible charge of “selfishness”. There is no formula for determining the “right” number of children. Some of us relish the vision of a family of 6 or 8 or 10 kids. Wonderful! Some feel 2 or 3 would be a lovely family. Wonderful!
 
I see contraception as “not giving yourself fully”, “withholding something from your spouse”, and as a perversion of the marital act. It just robs the marital act of its sanctity and beauty, it converts the marital act into a poor and perverted imitation of the real thing.
I think that is a very personal assessment, but others using ABC could comment. May I ask if it is the assessment of a married person?
 
I can make a whole list of things that my husband and I are protecting ourselves from by using contraception, including, but certainly not limited to: financial ruin, homelessness, missed career opportunities, incomplete education, both physical and mental health issues, etc.

Until I have finished law school and we have something in the bank a child would be disastrous. I am not protecting myself from him, nor he from me. Rather, we made a decision together about what we need to do in order to be able to have the family that we’ve always wanted when the time is right.
NFP or even abstinence would work equally well and perhaps better. You don’t need to sterilize yourself - even temporarily - to delay having children. People did it all the time, even before you could buy condoms at the drug store.
 
Agreed on all points. Beautifully said. And you’re exactly right, it makes no sense to say we believe children are blessings…but darn, please don’t bless me!
A child is a blessing, but yet there are just reasons to practice NFP, and thus to seek to defer or avoid the blessing. This suggests a more nuanced understanding of the blessing of children is required.
 
I’m sure they intend no insult, and I’m sure you know they are not suggesting that you need to be protected from your husband. The intended meaning of the word “protection” is perfectly clear in this context. I can agree it is not a great choice of word, but some here are choosing to make an undue issue over the word (by being unnecessarily literal) more so than the substance of the issue.
We live in a world devoted to using language as a weapon. It has long been said that whoever controls the terms of debate, wins. Words mean things. To talk about ‘protection’ means something. It has shaped an entire way of thinking for the last two generations. When an entire society thinks a certain way, that certainly affects the substance of the issue.
A child is a blessing, but yet there are just reasons to practice NFP, and thus to seek to defer or avoid the blessing. This suggests a more nuanced understanding of the blessing of children is required.
Ah, my understanding is perhaps not nuanced enough. Are you suggesting my poor little brain isn’t capable of such fine thought? 😉

You’ve also set up a strawman. I did not say there’s no reason, ever, to practice NFP. I was referring to a society-wide attitude. Speaking of nuanced understanding…

Perhaps what is needed, as has been suggested in this thread and elsewhere, is a greater understanding that children are a blessing, period. But rather, our entire society has come to see children as burdens, expenses, accessories, something to ‘complete’ the adult or couple. We are now living in a world where we abort (kill)children for being the wrong sex or having Down Syndrome or being a threat to our bikini body.

We’re living in a world where we regard children more the way we regard furniture or cars: I’d like two, please. I’d like one that fits my lifestyle. I’d like twin girls. I’d like one boy and one girl.
 
Let say we are trying to “prevent” severe depression, alcoholism, adultery, divorce; would those be things worth prevent? My mother had me eight years after her “last” child was born. Soon after I was born she starting drinking more and quickly became an alcoholic. She did not get sober until I was seven and I cannot even beginning to tell you the damage that was done to my family in that time frame. My parents divorced and I was always an outcast in my family because everyone associated me with causing that pain. I cannot not tell you how many stories I have heard from her friends in AA that said that following the Church’s teaching on this issue lead to so many more problems and suffering then was need. How it hurt their children.
It’s tragic that your mother became an alcoholic, but as 3Doctors said, there had to have been underlying problems. I personally think it’s terrible that this burden has been laid on you, as somehow being the cause of all these problems. No, in reality, her choices were the cause of these problems. Quite possibly there were people around her doing other things that put a great deal of pressure on her. Who’s to say she wouldn’t have become an alcoholic regardless?

I think it’s easy to blame the church instead of people’s own attitudes, and choices about how they will react to things. I’ve posted here about my own dysfunctional family, and the fact is, my mother has made choices to be miserable, to sit and complain instead of doing something about being in an abusive marriage, to blame her children because it’s easier and safer than confronting an abuser who might hit her.
 
I’m very sorry that your and your family’s life has been so full of suffering. And I know that there are lots of people in the world who blame having a large family for causing suffering - but I just can’t help but think there must have been underlying problems that were the real cause of the difficulties. If, for instance, a husband is being demanding of sex with no care for how his wife is feeling and being insensitive and unhelpful if pregnancy results, that is an indicator of a deep rift in the marriage. There is still at times some cultural misogynism baggage in some cases that encourages insensitivity.

Please accept my prayers for your family and all families for whom having an abundance of children has been a challenge and yes, perhaps more bitter than sweet. I know that we can’t gloss over and pretend those situations don’t exist. The objective moral issues surrounding contraception remain what they are, but sometimes a woman is so frightened and stressed that maybe her guilt is lessened, and God would have mercy on her.

We must be careful not to put words in the Pope’s mouth, though - the press does quite well with that, unfortunately. :rolleyes: Just a reminder, not trying to be harsh about it. And again I will definitely pray for continued healing for your family in all ways.
Thank you for your prayers. I am sure there were other stresses in my parents life, such as trying to put 4 children through Catholic school, the thought of paying for college soon, and just everyday life. I just think that God knows our hearts and trials and he tries to guide us as best he can.
 
NFP or even abstinence would work equally well and perhaps better. You don’t need to sterilize yourself - even temporarily - to delay having children. People did it all the time, even before you could buy condoms at the drug store.
Abstinence is off the table. I’m not giving up sex for the next 3-5 years. No way, that’s not what happy, healthy newlyweds do.

NFP is off the table for many reasons: I don’t want to only be able to have sex during certain times of the month, I don’t want to chart, I am very happy with my chosen form of birth control, I don’t see any good reason to use NFP, I don’t trust the method, and finally, my husband would die laughing at the suggestion. Don’t get me wrong, he’s very sweet if I got the idea in my head and pushed, he would give it a try to make me happy. But he grew up in an EXTREMELY Catholic family and he’s very familiar with the method. He doesn’t have much respect for it and it would take awhile for him to realize I wasn’t joking.
 
Abstinence is off the table. I’m not giving up sex for the next 3-5 years. No way, that’s not what happy, healthy newlyweds do.

NFP is off the table for many reasons: I don’t want to only be able to have sex during certain times of the month, I don’t want to chart, I am very happy with my chosen form of birth control, I don’t see any good reason to use NFP, I don’t trust the method, and finally, my husband would die laughing at the suggestion. Don’t get me wrong, he’s very sweet if I got the idea in my head and pushed, he would give it a try to make me happy. But he grew up in an EXTREMELY Catholic family and he’s very familiar with the method. He doesn’t have much respect for it and it would take awhile for him to realize I wasn’t joking.
I have no need to do something so barbaric and so desperate as sterilizing myself. I practice NFP, I don’t chart and I don’t abstain. My husband and I have come to know my body very well, which is another beautiful blessing/benefit of practicing NFP : ) that and I’m not willingly subjecting my body to cancer and other health risks. But it sounds like you’ve made up your mind so not much more to discuss. Enjoy your little pills, patch, implant, weird foreign objects in your cervix or arm etc. or whatever : )
 
I have no need to do something so barbaric and so desperate as sterilizing myself. I practice NFP, I don’t chart and I don’t abstain. My husband and I have come to know my body very well, which is another beautiful blessing/benefit of practicing NFP : ) that and I’m not willingly subjecting my body to cancer and other health risks. But it sounds like you’ve made up your mind so not much more to discuss. Enjoy your little pills, patch, implant, weird foreign objects in your cervix or arm etc. or whatever : )
If you don’t chart and don’t abstain are you not trying to avoid pregnancy? Frankly, every birth control method has it’s pros and cons, and I’m glad that you’re happy with NFP. I would not be.
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I’m on those barbaric and desperate birth control pills, and I have been since I was 14 for endometriosis. Say what you want about them, but they work. I’ve gone off of them sporadically due to loss of insurance or whatever, and the pain that I experience all month long, but especially on my period, can be downright debilitating.
 
There are certainly cases in all medicine where the benefits outweigh the risks. I don’t know if that’s the case for you and I won’t presume to know, nor am I a doctor, but I am glad you have found relief for your ailments. I hope that when you decide to have children you are blessed with as many healthy babies as you like.

Also, yes actually we did try to prevent children for the first 5 years of my marriage using NFP, that was before I knew what I know now. I regret it, but I don’t feel shame or guilt I was ignorant and didn’t understand. I’m thankful I have been enlightened and I trust in Gods plan for us.
 
Actually, I need to correct myself. We prevented children for 8 years, since we’ve been together for 8 years (married 5) and had pre-marital sex.
 
There are certainly cases in all medicine where the benefits outweigh the risks. I don’t know if that’s the case for you and I won’t presume to know, nor am I a doctor, but I am glad you have found relief for your ailments. I hope that when you decide to have children you are blessed with as many healthy babies as you like.

Also, yes actually we did try to prevent children for the first 5 years of my marriage using NFP, that was before I knew what I know now. I regret it, but I don’t feel shame or guilt I was ignorant and didn’t understand. I’m thankful I have been enlightened and I trust in Gods plan for us.
I’m not trying to be rude, argumentative, or prying, but I just wondered why you use NFP if you don’t chart or use it to avoid or try for pregnancy? As in, how do you use it and what benefits are you experiencing? It just seems odd to me.
 
I did use NFP to avoid pregnancy for 8 years. I don’t need to chart I know my cycle and I know when I ovulate. I can tell by my cm and ovulation pains, there are other symptoms as well. I do keep track of the first day of my period (Im regular) using an app. It tells me when my next “expected” period day is and what days I’m “most likely” to be fertile. Its all pretty mindless at this point and second nature. I don’t rely in the app solely as it is merely just an estimate. That’s where being in tune with my body plays an important role. Charting and taking temps- I did that for a while and it helped me understand my body and recognize my symptoms, but after a while I ditched it all together. I am now using NFP to try and conceive. I don’t chart but that doesn’t mean I’m not following along with my own body’s fertility cycle. I have fertility awareness without chatting. Im not sure I really understand your question, but I hope I answered it anyways
 
Oops! actually that’s not accurate. I didn’t use NFP for the first 5-6 years. We used condoms and or the pull out method (but even then I had fertility awareness because we only not use condoms when I knew I was not ovulating). I’m sorry I don’t mean to confuse you. So basically we have been actively using NFP for 2-3 years. And for those 2-3 years we have purposely been avoiding children using the NFP method. It’s not until recently 2-3 months we have been trying to conceive and as I mention before I now regret trying not to get pregnant.
 
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