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Today in Church there was a young boy (perhaps 6 or 7 years old) who fainted during the reading of the Gospel. The boy was only a few feet away from the priest reading the gospel, and he clunked down on the floor rather loudly. It’s an Eastern Catholic parish, so it’s a very small community. His father quickly scooped him up off the floor and took him outside. I won’t tell you what the priest did (just yet), but what should the pastor have done:

a. finish the gospel reading (he was about 75% into the reading);
b. stop suddenly, thereby interrupting the gospel reading,walk over to the boy and make sure he is okay. Then finish the reading.

I can see it both ways, but I definitely feel strongly about what I believe is the correct choice.
 
I’m going to vote for a) finish the gospel reading (he was about 75% into the reading.)

As you say, his father quickly scooped him up off the floor and took him outside. I’m sure if it were of a more serious nature his father wouldn’t have rushed him away from the priest.

That said, as I understand it, the priest could have paused to render aid as the fainting did not occur during the Eucharistic prayer.

So, what happened?
 
Tough one. I don’t see the father removing the child from the Church as an indication that nothing major was wrong at all. I just think that he might have wanted to have space and privacy to attend to him, and not have all the parishioners gawking at them.

Did anyone else go out there with them? If, say, the mother or someone also went then they could easily come back and fetch the priest if needed. Not so if it was just the father.

So - if I were the priest it would depend.
 
Are you serious? The answer is a resounding B. The priest should have made sure the child was okay. The gospel is important but so is God’s command to rendering aid to someone who needs it. What if the child need to have an ambulance called and the delay cost him his life or caused him impairment.
 
Concur with DJK. Loss of human consciousness is a symptom, not a condition, and you can’t tell just from the sprawled form that nothing serious is wrong. Fr. Should have made sure there was not a medical emergency before going on.

When you come right down to it, the Gospel is words. Our LORD’s words. But HE always placed human need at the top of His priorities.

(And finish the Gospel because it was 75%? Wasn’t this Palm Sunday? That 25% might be another 5 or 7 minutes.)

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
 
Unless the priest is a doctor or paramedic, there is little practical he can do that the father or other adults couldn’t. Sure, he could give the anointing of the sick, but presumably would be asked for this by an attending adult if there was any danger.

The child was taken out of the church - presumably precisely because the father wished not to interrupt the liturgy. For all we know the child had some relatively minor medical condition and was in fact not at real risk and the father knew it.
 
Should the priest have stopped to go out and help the boy? Maybe. But what would that do for the boy? I assume the priest was not the only individual in the church. The church wardens or any parishioner could have gone to help as well. What I am saying in effect is that though there will be nothing wrong with the priest pausing to go see what is going on, I do not consider it a necessary or heroic thing to do. He can’t help much, so I’d say, pause a little, see that the child is being taken care of, perhaps call a warden’s attention by signaling and then move on.
 
I’m going to vote for a) finish the gospel reading (he was about 75% into the reading.)

As you say, his father quickly scooped him up off the floor and took him outside. I’m sure if it were of a more serious nature his father wouldn’t have rushed him away from the priest.

That said, as I understand it, the priest could have paused to render aid as the fainting did not occur during the Eucharistic prayer.

So, what happened?
This happened to me once during Mass. The priest just kept on with Mass while some ushers and my wife helped me to the church lobby. When my wife asked the ushers to pray for me the ushers backed away and said “Only the priest can do that!”
 
All through out His earthly ministry Jesus never hesitated to come to the aid of anyone, no matter what Jesus was doing at the time. Our goal is to become more like Christ every day. It may be an overused cliche but, WWJD? I think we all know the answer.
 
All through out His earthly ministry Jesus never hesitated to come to the aid of anyone, no matter what Jesus was doing at the time. Our goal is to become more like Christ every day. It may be an overused cliche but, WWJD? I think we all know the answer.
Actually, no. Jesus did not, for example, as far as we know, interrupt the Sermon on the Mount or the Last Supper for purposes of helping someone who’d fainted or otherwise needed medical attention. And there was a big crowd at the Sermon, most likely there would’ve been people requiring such attention.

And on the contrary, he was so tardy when He heard that Lazarus, His great friend, was sick that He didn’t get to Bethany until after Lazarus died - Martha reproached Him for it, if you recall.

So no, He didn’t always interrupt what He was doing.
 
Actually, no. Jesus did not, for example, as far as we know, interrupt the Sermon on the Mount or the Last Supper for purposes of helping someone who’d fainted or otherwise needed medical attention. And there was a big crowd at the Sermon, most likely there would’ve been people requiring such attention.

And on the contrary, he was so tardy when He heard that Lazarus, His great friend, was sick that He didn’t get to Bethany until after Lazarus died - Martha reproached Him for it, if you recall.

So no, He didn’t always interrupt what He was doing.
Regarding the Sermon on the Mount, that is shear speculation on your part.
Regarding Lazarus, that was by design to prove a point.
 
I used to faint all the time at mass when we had the longer fast. An usher and a nun would just carry me outside and when I came around would make me put my head down between my knees and give me some water (not at the same time). The priests never even knew I was being carried out because their back was to the assembly.

My daughter fainted once while altar serving and the priest just continued and someone helped me get her into the sanctuary. Acutally kids fainting at mass happens more often than you would think, especially at masses where there is insense. I remember two Vigils at which the servers vomited in the sanctuary and another fainted and rolled down the steps (good thing he was kneeling at the time) The priests never stopped but others came to their aid.
 
Regarding the Sermon on the Mount, that is shear speculation on your part.
Regarding Lazarus, that was by design to prove a point.
And it is every bit as much sheer speculation on your part for you to assert that He did in fact interrupt His prayer, or more particularly worship, to attend to someone. Offhand, in fact, I cannot think of a single instance where He was at prayer or in worship and cut it short to do so - if you could cite any examples from scripture it would be much appreciated.

And the priest continuing Mass may also be by design to prove a point - that worship and prayer are vitally important, every bit as much so as practical help, and that the very best help a priest can give is oftentimes just that - to worship and pray.
 
And it is every bit as much sheer speculation on your part for you to assert that He did in fact interrupt His prayer, or more particularly worship, to attend to someone. Offhand, in fact, I cannot think of a single instance where He was at prayer or in worship and cut it short to do so - if you could cite any examples from scripture it would be much appreciated.

And the priest continuing Mass may also be by design to prove a point - that worship and prayer are vitally important, every bit as much so as practical help, and that the very best help a priest can give is oftentimes just that - to worship and pray.
“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” John 21:25 (NIV)
If we are going to speculate, then we might as well agree that there could have been many instances when Jesus interrupted prayer to assist someone. Knowing what we do about the nature of Jesus, I find it difficult to imagine that He would ignore someone in distress.
 
Something that no-one seems to have considered that if the little boy is a regular at that church, then the priest may well have had more of an idea what was wrong with him that the average on looker.

Just a thought.
 
Today in Church there was a young boy (perhaps 6 or 7 years old) who fainted during the reading of the Gospel. The boy was only a few feet away from the priest reading the gospel, and he clunked down on the floor rather loudly. It’s an Eastern Catholic parish, so it’s a very small community. His father quickly scooped him up off the floor and took him outside. I won’t tell you what the priest did (just yet), but what should the pastor have done:

a. finish the gospel reading (he was about 75% into the reading);
b. stop suddenly, thereby interrupting the gospel reading,walk over to the boy and make sure he is okay. Then finish the reading.

I can see it both ways, but I definitely feel strongly about what I believe is the correct choice.
The priest should have kept reading, for [edited] reasons:
  1. Because he only fainted. This sort of thing is almost routine under these sorts of circumstances - weddings, graduations, school plays, military rituals - including to children. We’ve all seen the photos and youtube videos. No intervention is necessary and after he’s down for a minute he will wake up again and be fine.
  2. The priest didn’t see it, but his neighbors plus the whole congregation did. Let the people next to him, or someone from the congregation, deal with it, if it needs dealing with.
  3. The less attention brought to it the better - for the sake of public order, of the congregation, and of the boy himself. It’s disruptive, distracting, and embarassing. Poor kid has probably earned a nickname for life.
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We had a similar situation happen in our church. One of the priests was elderly, had diabetes, and walked with a cane. At the end of a private devotion that was held in the sanctuary, he was hobbling up the aisle in an unoccupied area and somehow lost his balance. He gracefully keeled over sideways in between the pews and gently came to rest sprawled over a kneeler.

In a split second, no less than half a dozen men scampered over to him with faces darkened with motherly concern. The resulting scene bordered on comical, for it was physically impossible for six men to cooperate in picking him up, since he had fallen sideways between pews and was lying on the floor. So they stood by helplessly as he pulled himself up by clinging to the back of the pew in front of him.

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What should they have done? Five of them should have assessed the situation, noticed that one of them was bound to reach Father first, and should have paid attention but stayed put. It doesn’t take six men, and under the circumstances even one would have been unable to do much anyway. Sadly most people think that the right thing to do when someone has fallen is to get that person upright immediately - usually in the clumsiest manner possible. But I think that stems from an uninformed desire to “do something”. (Admittedly there was a slim possibility that Father had broken his hip and then fallen; had that been the case, it would have become obvious in a couple seconds, and the right thing to do would have been to just let him lie there until the paramedics come.)

At the next coffee & donuts I asked him if he was okay, and he said yes he was fine. I jokingly said, “I thought you were slain in the spirit!” He laughed and said, “No, I’m not charismatic - I’m diabetic.”
 
What if the child need to have an ambulance called and the delay cost him his life or caused him impairment.
You can multiply the what-ifs, but it’s just an exercise in self-justification. What if he had a brain aneurysm? What if he was choking on his retainer? Seconds count!!
 
WWJD? I think we all know the answer.
I know the answer: He would have kept reading, because he knows that it’s best to let the people around the boy deal with it, since they are there, and it was likely a mere fainting spell that happens all the time. Also, it would be a lesson on how God works through secondary causes and prefers to empower people to solve their own problems within their own domain of responsibility, rather than to hijack the situation and make it all about Himself.
 
Wow! Exact same thing happened yesteday at our parish, except it was a girl and the priest was 95% through the Gospel. He stopped, the girl was/is okay, and then reading and Mass continued. Correct, I believe.
 
And it is every bit as much sheer speculation on your part for you to assert that He did in fact interrupt His prayer, or more particularly worship, to attend to someone.
There are statistics people use in determining how much first-aid resources is typically needed for a given crowd size. If we assume the crowd was, say, 10,000 (cf. Matthew 14) - and they missed their last meal - it is practically certain that there would have been at least one fainting spell.

And remember, at one of those gatherings Jesus addressed the crowd from a boat (cf. Mark 4), therefore Jesus would not have been in a position to do anything, except from a distance.

Besides, if Jesus had stopped his presentation to pay attention to a fainter, the whole crowd would have been distracted, but only the people around the fainter would know what’s going on. And it’s just bad form to halt a presentation because of a minor disturbance as the rest of the crowd would have no idea what is going on.
 
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