When Two Men Live Together

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spiritblows:
Dear Cup of K,
The school is probably influenced by the attitudes of the larger society and thinks that they shouldn’t be ‘judgemental’ and must show their ‘tolerance’. Unfortunately, the mass media, which is in the hands of those with liberal values, has brainwashed much of our society on this matter.

I agree with you, it’s a public scandal. Unfortunately, the school is probably also concerned with legal matters that will influence this decision. They might be opening themselves up for a lawsuit if they fired these men in our current climate we live in.

I think it’s naive of anyone to think that if 2 men have bought a house together, that they’re just roomates, btw. That’s totally unrealistic thinking, IMO.
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While I have never bought a house with someone else my roommates continue to be male. I prefer this to the expenses of living alone. Does this make me gay? I most certainly am not and would take offense to anyone who suggests I am.:mad:
 
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goofyjim:
While I have never bought a house with someone else my roommates continue to be male. I prefer this to the expenses of living alone. Does this make me gay? I most certainly am not and would take offense to anyone who suggests I am.:mad:
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No, I didn’t say men who roommate together, I said men who buy a house together. Please don’t be offended. How often do 2 heterosexual men buy a house together? That’s a pretty big commitment, to buy a house. Obviously lots of people have roommates to save money, that’s very common.
 
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goofyjim:
While I have never bought a house with someone else my roommates continue to be male. I prefer this to the expenses of living alone. Does this make me gay? I most certainly am not and would take offense to anyone who suggests I am.:mad:
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Not at all, it does not make you gay at all. The OP is concern not just with living arrangements but open “behaviors” In fact I know its fictional, and I admit I was a little stupid, but I watch 2 old shows of “Will and Grace” just recently (never seen before, they put it on life-time network) thought it was a married couple till I realized he’s gay and she’s his room-mate. I won’t watch it anymore, that’s beside the point.😉 Not everything is what it is on the outside, but when she (the OP) learn of the “Flamboyant behaviors” , like I did watching that silly show, then it sends up a red flag, they’re gay.
 
Look at the position these men hold at a Catholic School…Counselors. I would not want my children counseled by someone who is gay.
If people want to be gay thats their business, they are the one who have to answer to God but they need to find a job that does NOT involve children…young or old.
 
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spiritblows:
No, I didn’t say men who roommate together, I said men who buy a house together. Please don’t be offended. How often do 2 heterosexual men buy a house together? That’s a pretty big commitment, to buy a house. Obviously lots of people have roommates to save money, that’s very common.
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I’m in the mortgage industry and I can tell you it happens more than you would think. A good many heterosexual guys go in together to buy houses. Financially, it makes sense a lot of the time. Neither waste money on rent and they both invest in an asset that will appreciate.
 
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wabrams:
I’m in the mortgage industry and I can tell you it happens more than you would think. A good many heterosexual guys go in together to buy houses. Financially, it makes sense a lot of the time. Neither waste money on rent and they both invest in an asset that will appreciate.
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Well, I stand corrected then. You learn a new thing every day. I really had no idea about this trend.
 
Not only same sex persons, but many opposite sex unmarried persons buy homes together. No one asks if they are sexually active. It’s just a mortgage. And the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) prohibits either gender or marital status from being considered as an underwriting factor for home loan approval.
 
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spiritblows:
No, I didn’t say men who roommate together, I said men who buy a house together. Please don’t be offended. How often do 2 heterosexual men buy a house together?
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I know a heterosexual man who is planning on doing precisely that.
 
Who cares who is buying a house with who. The problem seems to be that two men who may gay, are counselors at a Catholic School counseling young and impressable kids. Thats the problem.
If I was spending my hard earned money for a quality education I would not want my kids being exposed to immoral people. I’d want this to be resolved also.
I see nothing wrong with wanting the very best for my children.
 
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BillP:
Later we found out that half the people in our complex were convinced that she was two- timing her husband with me, while the other half were convinced that my room-mate and I were homosexual.
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Not surprised. This is not a good arrangement. Why spend a fair amount of time together?
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BillP:
IF your children ask about this “odd couple” I think it would be the PERFECT opportunity to teach them about Charity and the presumption of innocence and our inability to judge others
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Considering the deviancy and secrecy employed by homosexuals (most especially to get to children at schools), I think it is a perfect opportunity to move the child to another school.

What is it about today’s society that puts all the responsiblity on innocent children and none on adults to not act odd?
 
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kaymart:
Gay men have no place in a Catholic School, and if I offend anyone, sorry but these are our children and our future…
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What about Catholic Priests that are Gay who work at Catholic schools…guess we better give them the boot too? Or are they held to a different standard:confused: ?
 
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Karin:
What about Catholic Priests that are Gay who work at Catholic schools…guess we better give them the boot too? Or are they held to a different standard:confused: ?
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Nope, same standard. They need to be away from young and impressable children also.
 
Excuse me, but isn’t gossiping a sin? And unless you have been in their bedroom/s you have no right whatsoever to question their habits anymore than they would yours. It sounds to me like all you have are a bunch of gossipy people trying to start something.Suppose someone saw you hugging a girlfriend?? would you want them to think you are lesbian?? And as far as people living together, it is possible to live WITH someone and NOT be “involved” sexually. You assume far too much and you know what they say about assuming…never assume lest you make an a** of u and me.

CupofK…as I see it, the only delicate problem you have is that of minding your own business.

~ Kathy ~
 
Dear Katie,
I disagree with you. Scripture says that we are to avoid even “the appearance of evil”. Read Proverbs. It’s full of references to the importance of keeping one’s good name intact. Obviously, these two men have not hidden their living arrangements, nor made any attempt to explain it.

I personally think that Catholic schools should only hire Catholics in good standing with the Church. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Nuns do the majority of the teaching in Catholic schools, once upon a time?

Also, I don’t think this is a ‘gay’ thing. I think all the teachers should be held to high standards. Hey, teachers have a way of infusing their own philosophies into their teaching. I remember teachers doing so all the time. Catholic schools should be taught by Catholic teachers, period, in my ever so humble opinion…
 
I want to thank those of you who have posted supportive replies that have helped me clarify my thinking. LSK, thank you so much for the passages from the Catechism on Chastity and Homosexuality.That is exacly what I was looking for. I appreciate that you took the time to post that information. I will be spending some time in prayer reflecting on what that means with respect to this situation.

I agree with Spiritblows and those others who believe that we should expect the best in the way of the character of teachers and counselors in Catholic schools. It is completely justifiable to expect that these people, who are forming the future generations of the Church, to live to the highest standard proclaimed in the Gospel: “Be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect.” Every Catholic should strive to live with this end in mind.

As to those of you who accuse me of idle gossiping, let me repeat myself one more time: the information I have is not gossip. These are facts reported to me by people whom I trust. I believe the teenager that said this as much as I believe the adult. These are good Catholic people who have no more reason to distort the truth than I do. Would your replies have been any different if a third party reported seeing them kissing? Would that fact add more credibility to my case?

What I find worthy of note is how many of those posting on this thread are defending these men in question and taking me to task for even questioning this situation at all. Remember, I never asked for help discerning whether their living situation was sinful or not. Yet so many of you have deemed my actions intolerant and unchristian because you believe I’m making a wrong assumption.

After discussing the startling amount of antagonism I’ve received here with my DH, we can only conclude that all of the relentless work that the gay rights movement of the past generation to change perceptions about homosexuality, to make that lifestyle “just another color of the rainbow,” a lifestyle as good as a hetrosexual one (just different!) have been sadly successful in eroding the fundamental values of a large number of Catholics. This is evident in so many of the posts that declare that what happens behind closed doors are none of anyone’s business. This is quite a victory for gay rights activists at the expense of the truth. I have no doubt that the situation at this Catholic school represents the spoils of this battle.

The concept of sin is watered down thanks to the godless relativism of our time. For many unfortunate souls, ‘sin’ is a useless expression that has no meaning for them. They will find out in the end what God thought of their ‘lifestyle.’ We should all care about the truth and how it applies to everyone we know. In both the Bible and in Church teachings homosexual behavior is called a grave sin. Why are some of you so quick to defend it? I can only conclude that several of you think that homosexuality is completely acceptable. How regrettable.
 
My dear, my dear, my dear. Let me repeat, I AM NOT supporting the gay life style at all. However, to quote your first post…" I believe that two men on the staff a local Catholic school are homosexuals and I suspect that they live a gay lifestyle." You are indulging in gossip, as I see you have no proof. All you have are the “suspicions” of others…reliable or not, unless it can be absolutely proven perhaps, say, by an admission of the INVOLVED parties, all you are doing is contributing to idle gossip. If you are truly concerned, go to the governing body of the school, and present your “suspicions” and your “reliable sources” and confront the teachers involved. As parents, you do indeed have that right. If indeed you are correct in your assumptions, I offer my congratulations. If you are wrong, condolences are in order.
~ Kathy ~
 
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Katie1723:
My dear, my dear, my dear…
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                 ~ Kathy ~
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Dear Katie,
Why the condecending tone? I don’t think that’s necessary to this discussion. That sort of verbiage doesn’t sound very charitable to me. I say this aside from the question at hand.
 
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spiritblows:
Dear Katie,
Why the condecending tone? I don’t think that’s necessary to this discussion. That sort of verbiage doesn’t sound very charitable to me. I say this aside from the question at hand.
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If, with all the things written here, that is all you have found offensive, I would say that’s pretty good. If I have offended your sensibilities, I apologize. I stand by, however, with what I said.
~ Kathy ~
 
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Cupofkindness:
Would your replies have been any different if a third party reported seeing them kissing? Would that fact add more credibility to my case?
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Actually yes. In your first post, you said, “These men own a home together, that much I do know. And I hear (from reliable sources such as someone else who works there) that they are gay, apparently even some of the students at the school have figured this one out.” That is just idle speculation. If these two men have actually been seen doing things that “just friends” don’t do, that’s a whole 'nother ball game. Again, pray over this issue, take the advice of the priest you talked to, and handle this situation as tactfully as possible.
 
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