When was St.Paul consecrated as bishop?

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Paul always refers to himself as an “apostle,” never as a “bishop.” In one verse, Rom 15:16, he describes himself as “doing the work of a priest,” but there is no record of his ordination.
 
BartholomewB said:
Paul always refers to himself as an “apostle,” never as a “bishop.” In one verse, Rom 15:16, he describes himself as “doing the work of a priest,” but there is no record of his ordination.
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Even unworthy to be called an apostle in 1 Cor 15
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
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Was it in galatians 2:2?
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When is not specified.

1 Timothy 2
5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times. 7 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher and an apostle, (I say the truth, I lie not,) a doctor of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
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In Acts 12 when the Holy Spirit sets apart Paul and Barnabas for their work.

And @BartholomewB, Paul excersises episcopal duties in Acts. He ordains people in each of the Churches he’s founded.
 
In the church as it is constituted today, that is an episcopal duty. But Paul was acting in his capacity as an apostle, not as a bishop. An apostolos ranked higher than an episkopos.
 

Hey Julius , many years ago @ [pablope] (https://forums.catholic-questions.org/u/pablope)who posted this. Do you think it is accurate? here goes.​

Well, let us look at the example of St. Paul…

Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days.
Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

Paul had a direct revelation from Christ. Yet, from the two passages above, he goes to visit Cephas/Peter and submits himself to Peter. Gal 2: 2 states his purpose…to present his gospel/message to make sure it is in line with the Apostles and what they were handed down from Christ.

In Gal 2:2, Paul is directed to submit to the Apostles…the Church…not to a book or a writing.

Acts 13:
1 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.

Look at verse 3 and see what the Antioch Church elders do…“they placed their hands on them and sent them off.”

Romans 10:
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[g]

Before Paul and Barnabas went on their first missionary journey, he submits himself to Church authority and are ordained by laying of hands. Then they are sent out to their mission.

They are sent by the Church…not the book or a writing.

Consider or think about this…how many lay claim to know the Bible…to preach according to the Bible…yet…who sent them? Do they follow the example of St. Paul?

And this is how we know what is from God…from 1John 4…6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
 
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hey Barth, if all the apotles were apostolos, who were the episkopos?
 
In the NT, the Greek terms episkopos and presbuteros often seem to be used interchangeably. Look at this passage, for instance (Titus 1:5-9), where presbuteros is translated as “elder” and episkopos as “bishop”:

• 5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so that you should put in order what remained to be done, and should appoint elders in every town, as I directed you: 6 someone who is blameless, married only once, whose children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious. 7 For a bishop, as God’s steward, must be blameless; he must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or addicted to wine or violent or greedy for gain; 8 but he must be hospitable, a lover of goodness, prudent, upright, devout, and self-controlled. 9 He must have a firm grasp of the word that is trustworthy in accordance with the teaching, so that he may be able both to preach with sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict it.

 
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BartholomewB said:
In the NT, the Greek terms episkopos and presbuteros often seem to be used interchangeably. Look at this passage, for instance (Titus 1:5-9), where presbuteros is translated as “elder” and episkopos as “bishop”:
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Or could presbyters simple denote clergy and bishops and deacons simply be the modes of elders?
 
I have the impression that nobody really knows. There are different theories but no conclusive proof. Maybe @OddBird and @Bithynian can help? There came a time, of course, when a clear distinction emerged between episkopos as “bishop” and presbuteros as “priest,” but I believe that took a long time.
 
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I see a mirror between the 72 men that Jesus had excluding the 3 Peter James John and the 72 priests in Exodus excluding Aaron, Nadab and Abihu.
 
when God slaps you upside the head, blinds you, and tells you, “Knock it off and get to work for me!” . . . the timing of “consecration’” seems of very little import . . .
 
dochawk said:
when God slaps you upside the head, blinds you, and tells you, “Knock it off and get to work for me!” . . . the timing of “consecration’” seems of very little import . . .
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After Jesus called Paul, his first act was to submit himself to the church by seeking baptism. As faithful follower of the church, Paul would not presume a priestly mission without ordination by a lawful bishop.
 
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uhm . . . Christ himself is a bit more than a “lawful bishop” . . .
 
Yet, St Paul immediately sought baptism. If his direct encounter with Christ lead him to get baptized and become a Christian, there is no reason he would eschew the rest of the sacraments.
 
He also started preaching right away and seems to have gained a following.

He also got taught for three years in Arabia.
 
Hey Julius, did you catch on the excerpt i posted from another user?
 
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