When was the last time a Jesuit became Pope?

[Brain]

Rand Al'Thor:

Peace be with you!

I think that if a person that was of a religious order became pope, then they wouldn’t be of that order any more; they would just be the pope. Kind of like in Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time series (which, by my name, you can all tell I like) the Amyrlin Seat is “of all the Ajahs and of none”.

In Christ,
Rand

So Pope Eusebio, MSpS isnt an option? it would be plain Pope Eusebio. (my auxillary bishop looks very pope-ly, its kind of an inside joke with me and my my family)

 

[seabird3579]

katewithak:

All of them. Everywhere, Asia too. And they didn’t get there defending themselves, for sure.

Dear katewithak,

Could you please tell me when and where in North America a Jesuit has been martyred?

 

[Thepeug]

rwoehmke:

I don’t think disbanded or suppressed is ythe correct term for what happened in the 1970’s. As I recall their head man in Rome was not replaced for a while and the Vatican made some moves to strighten out some disarray in the order before turning the leadership back over to the order. For the life of me I can’t recall the head man’s name or title. Something “General”.

The head of the Jesuit order is called the “Superior General” and resides in Rome. Ingatius of Loyola was obviously the first Superior General; Father Peter Hans Kolvenbach currently claims the title.

 

[rwoehmke]

seabird3579:

Dear katewithak,Could you please tell me when and where in North America a Jesuit has been martyred?

For those of us from Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan the North American Martyrs are a part of our history, also of parts of Canada and the Eastern States. Father Marquette, Father Isaac Jogues, and others who explored and brought Christianity to those Indians who live around the Great Lakes and the rivers that ran in or out of them. Here in Wisconsin we have the St. Croix, the Mississippi and others. Jesuit missionaries were very active in the upper mid-west in the 17th century. Some paid with their lives being killed by the indians they hoped to bring into the Faith.

 

[Mike_O]

Aaron I.:

I’m not sure on the year, but perhaps during the 70s the Jesuits were disbanded as an order and were only fairly recently reinstated.

I don’t know where you heard this.

The Jesuits were disbanded in SEVENTEEN seventy (1773, actually) and reinstated in 1814:

nwjesuits.org/WhoWeAre/StIgnatius.html

I’ve never had anyone be able to tell me quite why they were disbanded besides their having an over-riding liberal sentiment, but I do know that it happened after the Jesuits stopped swearing fealty to the Pope. I’d imagine that they still CAN do it, but it is no longer one of their vows from what I understand.

Apparently the pope at the time, Clement XIV, had been elected by anti-Jesuit forces.

Again, I don’t know where this sentiment is coming from, particularly all the accusations flying around about liberal sentiment, but I know a number of Jesuits and all are very faithful to the Magisterium. Never have I seen any liturgical abuses to speak of.

I would hope that someone can either provide a source for the accusation of widespread unorthodoxy among the Jesuits or admit that their criticism is unjustified.

I will end with a joke my apologetics teacher taught me last year.

Q: What’s the only thing that doesn’t change in a Jesuit mass?

A: The bread and wine

With all due respect, and this might simply be my own misunderstanding, but I would hope that the above is not a joke made in reference to Transubstantiation and a Jesuit priest’s ability to say a valid Mass.

Maybe you intend no harm, but jokes about the Blessed Sacrament and about unsubstantiated accusations against a whole Catholic order are really not appropriate.

Once again, I welcome the (name removed by moderator)ut of someone who can point to some evidence to back all these charges of “liberalism” amongst the order, but so far, I don’t see anyone who has done it. Even finding a few specific examples does not speak to the whole order.

 

[steveandersen]

rwoehmke:

For those of us from Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan the North American Martyrs are a part of our history, also of parts of Canada and the Eastern States. Father Marquette, Father Isaac Jogues, and others who explored and brought Christianity to those Indians who live around the Great Lakes and the rivers that ran in or out of them. Here in Wisconsin we have the St. Croix, the Mississippi and others. Jesuit missionaries were very active in the upper mid-west in the 17th century. Some paid with their lives being killed by the indians they hoped to bring into the Faith.

I remember hearing the tales of the “black robes” and how the Indians would flay them alive, toss them off the Palisades, cut off their index fingers so they couldn’t say Mass, etc

A quick Goggle search on “North American SJ martyrs” brought up over 100,000 sites

As a side note I remember back in High school we would play a board game called "A Might Fortress” it was a political/military simulation game from SPI about (naturally) 16th century Europe.
There were 7 players representing the various factions and nations of the time.
Most of the players had territory and military goals in the game. The two unusual player positions were the Papal States and the Lutherans. They had some regular goals like the other 5 players but they were able to score points based on conversions.
The Papacy would normally have a hard time in the first half of the game but towards the middle (to simulate the Counter Reformation) the Jesuits became available. They would move around the game board but instead of combat they would engage the Lutheran players missionaries in “theological discussions” to see if a province of city would convert.

We would jokingly call the Jesuits the “Commandos of Christ”

 

[katewithak]

rwoehmke:

I don’t think disbanded or suppressed is ythe correct term for what happened in the 1970’s. As I recall their head man in Rome was not replaced for a while and the Vatican made some moves to strighten out some disarray in the order before turning the leadership back over to the order. For the life of me I can’t recall the head man’s name or title. Something “General”.

I seem to recall some flap that occurred in the late 70’s or early 80’s. His Holiness John Paul II had to betake himself to the Jesuit headquarters in Rome because for some reason they would not go to him. When he arrived, none of them stood up and they met him in street clothes. An INCREDIBLY UNUSUAL action for the most devoted of Papal orders. A truly extreme statement for Jesuits to make that way in disrespect. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, he has seriously offended these guys. Jesuits never, never behave that way and I was frightened. But for the life of me, I never heard what caused such horrible behavior on their part. I think we were well passed the liberation theology flap at the time. Malachi Martin had left the society already, so …
Who knows? Whatever it was, it seems to have been ptached up for the Jesuits I have met lately are right back to business, tolerating no heresies and no strays. But they are a very secretive group and if they had a strong disagreement with the Pope, it is unlikely they would broadcast it in the headlines so we may never know.

 

[BillyT92679]

katewithak:

I seem to recall some flap that occurred in the late 70’s or early 80’s. His Holiness John Paul II had to betake himself to the Jesuit headquarters in Rome because for some reason they would not go to him. When he arrived, none of them stood up and they met him in street clothes. An INCREDIBLY UNUSUAL action for the most devoted of Papal orders. A truly extreme statement for Jesuits to make that way in disrespect. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, he has seriously offended these guys. Jesuits never, never behave that way and I was frightened. But for the life of me, I never heard what caused such horrible behavior on their part. I think we were well passed the liberation theology flap at the time. Malachi Martin had left the society already, so …
Who knows? Whatever it was, it seems to have been ptached up for the Jesuits I have met lately are right back to business, tolerating no heresies and no strays. But they are a very secretive group and if they had a strong disagreement with the Pope, it is unlikely they would broadcast it in the headlines so we may never know.

Yes, exactly… JP II (memory eternal!) had to “lay the smack down” so to speak. The order was in terrible shape (it very much is in many places still). Liberation theology was questionable enough, but the hothouse gay seminary environment was notorious. I remember a 60 Minutes piece a few years ago about a man who sued the Jesuit California Province I believe for sexual harassment.

 

[Genesis315]

FCEGM:

From a brief look via google, there have been two Dominican popes: Pius V and Benedict XIII; two Franciscans: Nicholas IV and Sixtus IV; two Benedictines: Bl. Urban V and (probably) Leo VII. No Carmelites of the first Order have been popes, but at least one, the late and great John Paul II, was a Third Order Secular Discalced Carmelite. A number of popes have been members of Third Orders, including Pius XI, a Secular Franciscan.

St. Pius X was a third order Franciscan too. I thought St. Celestine V was a Francisican too. He at least was the head of an order that lived according to the Rule of St. Francis (random trivia: St. Celestine V was the only pope to ever resign).

 

[estesbob]

All of them think they are…http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon7.gif

 

[John_Higgins]

Here’s the breakdown of cardinals affiliated with religious orders:

C.I.C.M. 1 Congregation of IHM
C.M. 1 Vincentians
C.M.F. 1 Claretians
C.SS.R. 2 Redemptorists
O.F.M. 7 Franciscans
O.M.I. 1 Oblates of Mary Immaculate
O.P. 2 Dominicans
O.S.B. 1 Benedictines
P.S.S. 2 Sulpicians
S.C.I. 2 Dohonians
S.D.B. 6 Salesians
S.J. 9 Jesuits

John

 

[Cradle]

steveandersen:

I remember hearing the tales of the “black robes” and how the Indians would flay them alive, toss them off the Palisades, cut off their index fingers so they couldn’t say Mass, etc

A quick Goggle search on “North American SJ martyrs” brought up over 100,000 sites

I’m just butting in here, but I have to mention these two Jesuits, St. John de Brebeuf (who, btw, wrote the Huron Carol) and St. Isaac Jogues . Not only were they martyrs, they were also, by their martyrdom, instrumental in increasing vocations in New France. They are very dear to Canadian Catholics (or, well, at least to one Canadian Catholic ) and without them the history of Eastern Canada would have been very different.

So, yeah…

Anyway, has the fourth vow of the S.J. really been removed? Someone mentioned something to that effect in the previous posts.

 

[John_Higgins]

Cradle:

Anyway, has the fourth vow of the S.J. really been removed? Someone mentioned something to that effect in the previous posts.

I don’t believe that. People like to spread misinformation about the Jesuits. I’ll check.

John