When we die, we immediately go to purgatory, correct?

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You don’t immediately go to purgatory. Some people go straight to heaven and others (sadly) just go to hell.
 
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You mean the desire for things like sports cars, Big Macs and hot women? 🙂
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Specifically, unhealthy attachment to creatures.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the ‘eternal punishment’ of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the ‘temporal punishment’ of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain. [Cf. Council of Trent (1551): DS 1712-1713; (1563): 1820.]
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Tis_Bearself said:
Your view is incorrect.
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As I have said many times on this forum, I sincerely believe that God does not care about me. Why do I believe this? Because I have no reason to believe anything to the contrary. My life has been non-stop suffering from the day I was born. I have all the evidence I need to prove that He doesn’t care.

If someone can convince me to my satisfaction I am wrong, I’d be glad to hear it. And please spare me quotes from Scripture and anything based on faith or a belief. I want hard factual proof.
 
@Lost_Sheep, I heard a story once. The way it goes is, in the old world a shepherd would sometimes have in his care, a particularly adventurous or obnoxious lamb, one that kept getting into trouble, by wandering off.

One sure way to prevent the final loss of that little lamb was to break its leg(s) and thereafter carry it about on his shoulders.

That’s the origin of the common picture we see of Jesus, the Good Shepherd, keeping the lamb close, by carrying it on his shoulders. That’s how the story went anyway. Not sure if it’s true.

Edit: remembering the rest of the story. In the wilderness, the lamb would sleep, curled up under the shepherd’s arm. If a pack of hungry wolves came during the night, the shepherd would fight them off, with his life, rather than allow them to tear the lamb to pieces.
 
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Beautifully said, as coming from someone who has been pretty much going through “purgatory on earth” daily for the past 2 years…

Thank you.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
And please spare me quotes from Scripture and anything based on faith or a belief. I want hard factual proof.
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Apart from scripture, faith or belief, I’m not sure there’s a good answer. A perfect and eternal heaven outweighs any suffering in this world, by far. You of all people know that we cannot control the suffering that happens to us. But heaven outweighs it all no matter how heavy the burdens of this life are. The infinite by comparison will always reduce the finite to insignificance.

In the absence of any faith component, I will suggest forcing yourself to look for and be grateful for the good things that are in your life. And find somebody that you can serve or bless or do something really nice for. In my darkest and loneliest times, I would make myself do that, make myself do something unexpected and really kind for somebody else who seem to be in need, and it never failed to lift my spirits. Suffering can make us so self focused - be wary of that tendency.

Hang in there. As bad as it has been, it could be that better times are coming. Don’t give up before those good times find you.
 
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No one here knows for sure what happens at death. Trust in the mercy of God.
 
Crocus said:
I heard a story once. The way it goes is, in the old world a shepherd would sometimes have in his care, a particularly adventurous or obnoxious lamb, one that kept getting into trouble, by wandering off.

One sure way to prevent the final loss of that little lamb was to break its leg(s) and thereafter carry it about on his shoulders.

That’s the origin of the common picture we see of Jesus, the Good Shepherd, keeping the lamb close, by carrying it on his shoulders. That’s how the story went anyway. Not sure if it’s true.

Edit: remembering the rest of the story. In the wilderness, the lamb would sleep, curled up under the shepherd’s arm. If a pack of hungry wolves came during the night, the shepherd would fight them off, with his life, rather than allow them to tear the lamb to pieces.
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And this has what to do with me? In my world God would break my leg, leave me to the wolves, and laugh as was being eaten alive.
 
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And this has what to do with me? In my world God would break my leg, leave me to the wolves, and laugh as was being eaten alive.
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Are you Catholic, @Lost_Sheep?

Everyone (believer or not) suffers the effects of evil that is in the world. I am sorry that you experience suffering.

As a Catholic, I cope with my particular suffering by relying on Jesus, who suffered before me.

God allowed that Jesus be subject to the same free will that precedes both good and evil. Jesus was stripped, tortured, hung on a cross, bled, suffocated, and was rejected by those He loved.

Jesus saves me from the terrors that my mind would create and dwell on. I choose to stay close to Him and I pray He keeps me close. He gives me peace that lifts me out of whatever suffering I experience. He is my Good Shepherd.

Again, I am sorry that you experience suffering and hope that you will find relief.
 
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I am a covert to the catholic church when I broke both of the bones in my left lower leg this past summer I was in alot of physical pain due to the injury. I had to rely on my family and others to help me through this now as a result I will have a rod and three screws in my leg for the rest of my life, yes I hurt on a daily basis more when I’m around cold temperatures. But it took me a while but I realized that maybe it was God’s plan to help me to slow down and not focus on myself and as a result I focus on how I can I help others. If you look around you, you might not realize it at the time but whatever you are doing for someone else they might be Jesus in disguise.
 
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Crocus said:
Are you Catholic, @Lost_Sheep?
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Yes.

Cradle Catholic. Grew up in a Catholic family, went to Catholic Grade School and High School, belonged to the Newman Club in College, married a Catholic girl from a good Catholic family. I’ve served as a usher at the various Catholic churches I’ve attended over the years and I am a Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus.

I’m about as Catholic as they get and I’ve done everything right. I don’t understand why God let’s me suffer like this.

-LS
 
I lost a temporary job right after the holidays and it hurt and still dose I’m struggling to find any good in this situation. I can’t see any good from this but someone who is helping me look for a job sees what I can’t right now . This is that I am and will continue to help people no matter what I am doing as a job . To me they are a godsend because they are helping me to see what God sees and that is that I am helping others even if I can’t see it right now. Hang in there our Lord will see you through this time in the desert battlefield and darkness.
 
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