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When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.

Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

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Happy Y2k12
Andrew
 
Paradise is just a different name for heaven. In fact, Jesus himself used the term.
 
Andrew1992 said:
When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.
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Well, to Heaven or Hell, depending on the state of your soul at the time. Yes, references to Paradise in this context (like “Today you will be with me in Paradise,” Luke 23:43) are referring to Heaven. And there is also Purgatory, a place where people who will eventually be sent to Heaven go to be purified first.
Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?
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Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
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Great! I’d start with the Gospels (maybe just Matthew and John first, then fill in Mark and Luke at some point later on), then the Acts of the Apostles, and then move on to Paul’s letters in the New Testament. After that, Genesis and maybe Isaiah from the Old Testament. By that point you’ll have a better idea for where you want to go next.
 
Paradise and Heaven = same

The best place to start in the bible is the Gospel of John
 
There is a timeline bible study program that treats the biblical text chronologically.

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Studying the bible chronologically gives a GREAT perspective …

The Old Testament prefigures Christ and by studying it chronologically … and then leading into the New Testament, it gets all laid out in a logical easy-to-follow format.

Keep in mind that there is a couple of thousand years of Old Testament history that lead into the three years of Jesus’ ministry. So, it’s important to get a good grasp of the very early history and writing.

There is also a certain amount of going forward and then back, so you can see what leads to what.

Also, there are maps, showing the various travels and voyages … helps tie it all together.

You can get just the study kit and binder:

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And, also, my personal advice, get a large print Bible … it is just so much easier to read and follow,
 
Andrew1992 said:
When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.
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The Catholic Church believes and teaches that when we die we go to heaven or hell… depending on if we die in a state of sanctifying grace.
Andrew1992 said:
Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
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The Gospels!

Then, the rest of the New Testament (I really like Romans, 1 Corinthians, and 1 John, but you’ll want to read the whole thing). I agree with the other poster who said Genesis and Isaiah are good to start with in the Old Testament. Also, Exodus (after you read Genesis). Oh, and Job and Ecclesiastes are spectacular and can be read at any time; I feel they speak to our postmodern world in a special way.
 
Also, if we do die in a state of sanctifying grace, unless we were perfect and sinless, or martyred, we make a stop at Purgatory for a good thorough purging and cleansing.
 
Andrew1992 said:
Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
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I like St. Jerome’s suggestion for beginning Bible study (from his “Epistle ad Laetam,” a letter to a friend whose daughter wanted to begin studying Scripture, but wasn’t sure where to begin):
First, learn the PSALTER (i.e. Book of Psalms). Recreate in its songs.
Second, learn from Solomon’s PROVERBS the way of life.
Third, learn from ECCLESIASTES how to trample the world.
Fourth, in JOB find an example of patient virtue.
Fifth, read the GOSPELS. They should always be in our hands.
Sixth, steep yourself in the ACTS and the EPISTLES.
Seventh, commit to memory the PROPHETS, the HEPTATEUCH (the first seven books of the Old Testament),
KINGS and CHRONICLES, ESDRAS and ESTHER.
Finally, learn the CANTICLE OF CANTICLES without any fear.
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Start with the book of John and read the other Gospels, then go on to the rest of the New Testament.
 
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I like St. Jerome’s suggestion for beginning Bible study (from his “Epistle ad Laetam,” a letter to a friend whose daughter wanted to begin studying Scripture, but wasn’t sure where to begin):
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Yes, St Jerom’s suggestions are great.

But, if you want to just “jump right in” as is said, I also suggest to start first with the Gospel of St John, and maybe dabble in Machabees too, if you want to know the basis for purgatory.

When we die, we either go to Heaven which is eternal, everlasting Paradise; or to Hell, which is eternal and everlasting suffering. If we die in a state of grace, but still have the blemish of venial or small sins, we will go to Purgatory, which is very temporary, so that our souls will be purified before we enter into Heaven.

Purgatory’s flames are said to be hotter than Hell’s, though the suffering is spiritual, since we are desiring to be with the Lord, his Blessed Mother and the Saints and Angels, because we know that we WILL be there.
 
MarinerFan said:
Start with the book of John and read the other Gospels, then go on to the rest of the New Testament.
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I agree with the suggestion for starting with John. 👍

The Psalms are great as well and will keep your mind on worship.
 
Now I’m scared. What’s a small sin considered. I know blasphemy is bad.

Oh btw is saying God’s name in vein considered blasphemy.

One more thing, happy new year!
 
Andrew1992 said:
When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.

Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
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If you die in a state of mortal sin you go immediately to Hell.
If you die in a state of grace you are immediately saved and may go straight to Heaven or more likely Purgatory first.
 
So, even if we’ve been a servant of the Lord much of our lives if we die in the state of mortal sin, we go to Hell vs…purgatory for cleansing?

Isn’t our God a merciful one?
 
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So, even if we’ve been a servant of the Lord much of our lives if we die in the state of mortal sin, we go to Hell vs…purgatory for cleansing?

Isn’t our God a merciful one?
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Good works and a holy life have no merit if you die in a state of mortal sin.
Remember, you cannot commit a mortal sin by accident. It is a deliberate act of rejecting God’s love. However, God is merciful and will forgive you if you get to Confession and sincerely repent but he does not force you. He gave you freewill. It is your choice to go to Confession or not. If you die in a state of mortal sin it is not God who sends you to Hell. You go to Hell by your own freewill and choice to commit a mortal sin and not repent.
 
Thistle,
Thanks for clarifying. That is why i try to go to confession as much as possible. It’s not that I’m committing moral sins, just that I want a clean conscious and want God to know that I am doing what I can to lead a good and moral life. Even venial sins I try to get cleansed of them.
I just wonder for people that are incapacitated, such as those in convalescent homes, if they don’t get to confess, and if a priest doesn’t come to visit them… or if someone TRULY doesn’t know to go to confession at least once a year…what then?
 
Is self murder a mortal sin?
I had an uncle commit suicide back in 09 so just wondering because I pray for his soul often.
but if you’re in like pain or pschological pain such as depression or you get bullied every day? Would it be a mortal sin then?
 
Andrew1992 said:
Is self murder a mortal sin?
I had an uncle commit suicide back in 09 so just wondering because I pray for his soul often.
but if you’re in like pain or pschological pain such as depression or you get bullied every day? Would it be a mortal sin then?
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It depends. We don’t know the state of a person’s mind when they do that.

CCC 2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

CCC 2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

CCC 2325 Suicide is seriously contrary to justice, hope, and charity. It is forbidden by the fifth commandment.
 
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