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Is self murder a mortal sin?
I had an uncle commit suicide back in 09 so just wondering because I pray for his soul often.
but if you’re in like pain or pschological pain such as depression or you get bullied every day? Would it be a mortal sin then?
We were taught in my RCIA class that we can NOT judge someone who takes their own life because we don’t know if in those last seconds before they died if they repented.

Monsignor used Judas as our example. We won’t know, until we get their ourselves if Judas made it to Heaven or not. Same with your uncle.

Also, GOD knows the heart and He sees inside. A person with mental illness may not even be able to determine right from wrong.

You should still continue to pray for him though, and just have faith that GOD is good and He loves you!

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When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.
When we die, our soul is immediately judged by Jesus. At this point one knows their eternal destiny. A soul is either in
  • heaven, (possible purgatory first, but ultimately that means heaven)
  • hell
At the end of the world, the resurrected bodies are reunited with their souls. If the soul is in heaven, they are now in heaven with their resurrected body, If the soul is in hell, they are in hell now with their body. Purgatory ceases to exist.

Adam’s sin closed heaven to all humanity. Before Jesus opened heaven with His life death resurrection and ascension to heaven, no one could enter heaven. Now paradise and heaven are synonymous.
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Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?
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Is self murder a mortal sin?
I had an uncle commit suicide back in 09 so just wondering because I pray for his soul often.
but if you’re in like pain or pschological pain such as depression or you get bullied every day? Would it be a mortal sin then?
Some of these questions deserve separate posts… but anyways…

One of the beauties, I believe, in Catholicism, is that is teaches one to NOT judge and individual and make pronouncements about a specific person’s soul. - We leave judgement up to God.

We CAN however, make judgements on actions and can use this to be gravely “concerned” for the state of a person’s soul.

In your uncle’s case… no one can say for sure. However, we know enough to be concerned for the well being and eternal resting place of his soul. So that is why we pray for them and leaving the final decision up to God.

God alone knows ALL the mitigating circumstances such as mental and physical pain, psychological conditions, abuse that may have been suffered, even the person’s individual understanding of God.

Catholicism makes allowances for things such as an individual’s culpability or guilt. Occassionally, our LACK of understanding may lead us to think that a bad action is OK. While it is hard for us as humans to take these things into account… God CAN. And IF he wants to show mercy, he can.

We are bound by the sacraments and knowledge of God that we have. The rules are for OUR sake… not God’s. God is not bound by all the same rules we are… only his eternal and perfect justice and righteousness. Therefore we can not rule out that God may take mercy on such a person, based on their individual circumstances.

However, in allowing for God’s mercy, it is a different thing entirely to then advocate suicide and ASSUME that God will forgive. OR to create rules where by suicide is allowed if you have certain mental or physical conditions. That would be going to far. It would be approving of an action.
 
The Bible makes it clear only a limited number of people would go to heaven and it lays out God’s purpose for taking people there. It is so that they can be priests and kings. If everyone is going to heaven, it begs the question, who are they presiding over?
The hope layed out for the majority of people is eternal life on earth.
Psalms 37: 29 - “the righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.”
Psalms 37: 9-11 - " For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.
A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity."
When you think about it, eternal life on earth was God’s original purpose and it has not changed.
 
When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.

Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
A minor correction to what others have posted. Paradise can refer to purgatory or Abraham’s Bosom. Some times it refers to Heaven. Purgatory can be described as paradise because if you are in purgatory, you KNOW you will be in Heaven at some point, once you have been purged of your sins and sinful tendencies.
 
The Bible makes it clear only a limited number of people would go to heaven and it lays out God’s purpose for taking people there. It is so that they can be priests and kings. If everyone is going to heaven, it begs the question, who are they presiding over?
The hope layed out for the majority of people is eternal life on earth.
Psalms 37: 29 - “the righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.”
Psalms 37: 9-11 - " For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.
A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity."
When you think about it, eternal life on earth was God’s original purpose and it has not changed.
A warning to the OP and others, Trixx does not label themself, but they are not Catholic, so take anything posted with a HUGE grain of salt.
 
A warning to the OP and others, Trixx does not label themself, but they are not Catholic, so take anything posted with a HUGE grain of salt.
I’m new here! How can I tell if I’m speaking to a fellow Catholic or someone of another faith (or no faith) if it’s not posted?😦
 
When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.

Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
I like your “Y2K12!”

I won’t attempt the Paradise question, except to say that many play with a para dice regarding it.

As for reading the Bible? Most folks will recommend that you dive right in and “go for it” or take a class that is oriented on the premises of the Faith only. But then you lose a lot of interesting and useful material and flavor. I would start by thoroughly ingesting Gina Cermiara’s “handbook for religious sanity.” It is well written, and is accepted by may faiths (I’ve even seen it used and appreciated by Catholics) as a useful study tool because it contains information about cognitive processes pertinent not only to religion but anything else, and is very entertaining and excellently annotated.

Other suggestions might be:

The introduction to An American Bible by Elbert Hubbard
The Bible Unmasked by Joseph Lewis
Changing Concepts of the Bible by Werner Wolff
The Interpreter’s Bible
Is That in the Bible?
Rev. Dr. Charles F. Potter
Letter From a Recording Angel Mark Twain
Literature and Dogma and God and the Bible by Mathew Arnold
More Light on the Gospel by George Lamsa
A New Look at the Bible Tradition by Lewis V. Bischoff
The Original and the Translations of the Bible by Abraham Geiger
The Sociology of Religion by Thomas Hault
The Story of the Bible by Edgar J. Goodspeed
Those Incredible Christians by Dr. Hugh J. Schonfeild
When the Saints Go Marching Out by Charles Merrill Smith

That ought to be a reasonably good start.
 
When we die, do we go to heaven or to paradise. I would assume heaven would be paradise. But I’m only 19 so I don’t know.

Also I’m starting to read the bible, where is a good place to start?

Thank you
Happy Y2k12
Andrew
Your assumption is correct, they are the same thing.

I would suggest the Gospel of John, followed by the other Gospels, NT & OT
 
I’m new here! How can I tell if I’m speaking to a fellow Catholic or someone of another faith (or no faith) if it’s not posted?😦
It would be nice if everyone identified their religion in the upper right corner of their bio. But it’s not a requirement.
 
It would be nice if everyone identified their religion in the upper right corner of their bio. But it’s not a requirement.
Yeah, I find that most of those who do not are usually doing so in order to hide their denomination. Most of those who are catholic seem to be very up front and unashamed of their faith.
 
The Bible makes it clear only a limited number of people would go to heaven and it lays out God’s purpose for taking people there. It is so that they can be priests and kings. If everyone is going to heaven, it begs the question, who are they presiding over?
The hope layed out for the majority of people is eternal life on earth.
Psalms 37: 29 - “the righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.”
Psalms 37: 9-11 - " For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.
A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity."
When you think about it, eternal life on earth was God’s original purpose and it has not changed.
Keep in mind,
  • when Adam sinned, heaven was closed to all beings. No one could go to heaven until after Jesus life, death, resurrection, and ascension to heaven.
  • no one even in the NT times, can go to heaven still, without Jesus.
  • The OT is a type and shadow of the new. It’s not the new.
Once a soul is created by God, the soul is immortal. It doesn’t sleep it doesn’t die, it can’t be destroyed. It has memory, intellect and will.

Some think when a person dies, it’s lights out for them till the end of the world. No concept of anything? A type of soul sleep as some imagine, only not even dreams…

[Lk 16:19…] Richman and Lazarus, says otherwise, and Jesus the one who spoke in the beginning, and everything seen and unseen came into existence, is telling this parable. After Lazarus and the richman die,
  • the richman is in torment. And he is fully experiencing his torment after he is dead. No waiting for the end of the world for that to happen, it’s happening the second he took his last breath. Which means he was judged at death.
  • Notice as Jesus tells the story, after death, the richman has his memory, intellect and will, fully functional. And he is experiencing his destiny, and his torment, immediately after death.
  • Lazarus otoh, also experiences the afterlife, only for Lazarus it’s comfort. Which means Lazarus also went through judgement after his death
Neither destiny can be reversed. Once in heaven, always in heaven. Once in hell, always in hell.

Purgatory is a temporary stop on the way to heaven :cool:

btw, Jesus speaks more of hell than anyone else in the NT. This story He tells is most instructive…don’t you think?
 
I read the Bible in depth for the first time when I was about 13. I’d dabbled in it in earlier years but my child’s brain couldn’t get around half of it and it was an old Douay Rheims “thee, thus, thou” translation - which doesn’t exactly make for light reading! 🙂

The first book I read in depth was the Gospel of Matthew, simply because it was the first in order of the Bible. I then proceeded onto John, as I was intrigued by the prologue. On reflection, I would advise first-time readers to begin with the Gospel of John. Its the most spiritual of the Gospels and despite the length of its dialogues, surprisingly easy to read and very nourishing for the mind and soul. I was in awe of the picture of Jesus that emerged from my prayerful reading of that Gospel. The Jesus of Matthew was a teacher of sublime morals, a mighty storyteller, a fulfiller of prophecy, a peacemaker, and yet a creater of division when it came to putting one’s priorities and needs in the right place (God and his Kingdom before all other earthly/material attachments). The Sermon on the Mount is perhaps the greatest single compedium of how to live life to the full ever written. If you lived by the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount alone, I think you would die happy and fulfilled - its like a crystallization in short of how to live a holy life. However the Jesus in John just blew me away, as a first time reader. Its definetly better to read first, even than Matthew. The message of God’s love for the world, of light and darkness, of the peace and joy which faith in Christ would bring…I could go on. I then read Luke, and was blown away by the social message - the focus on the poor, women, the outcasts of society, the weak. The Jesus of Luke was so compassionate and empathetic that it would often move me too tears. The passage in which the sinful woman barged in when Jesus was talking to a Pharisee, and the Pharisee’s cold indifference towards her matched with Jesus sympathy, still grips me. The Parables unique to Luke are particularly engaging for this strong social message - the Good Samaritan, demonstrating how our love must extend to all irrespective of racial, ethnic or religious divides. The Prodigal Son, showing how no sinners are beyond the love and forgiveness of God. I would read Mark last, which is the shortest Gospel but also the hardest to read, and yet in many ways the most rewarding for its fast-paced, continual “action”. Mark’s Jesus is active, always doing something, always helping people, always saving mankind, never resting. And Mark treats Jesus’ dealings with people in a more earthy and detailed fashion than the other Gospels, despite its short length.

For the Old Testament, I would probably begin with Isaiah. Its equally stunning as John in many respects, and its message of hope triumphing over despair justs blows me away. I can never forget the first time I read Isaiah’s prophecy on the coming of the Messiah, “for a child has been born for us, a son given to us” - of the abolition of hatred and war and evil among men with the birth of a child who would be “Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, Might God” and the passage of the Suffering Servant, easily the most moving poetic piece ever written in human history.

After this I would read the Song of Songs. Its a book of longing, of passionate holy love, of desire both earthly (for the opposite sex in the sacrament of marriage) and heavenly (for the true Beloved, God himself). St John of the Cross died with the words of the Song of Songs on his lips, so I have heard. Its a joyous, uplifting read.

Ecclesiastes is the same. I find it so applicable to the modern world, and the constant striving of people to change their empty lives and find permanence and security in an impermanent, ever-changing, unfair world through attachment to material things, which ultimately ends in misery because the only thing that doesn’t change is God, everything else - money, beauty, power, youth, possessions - will eventually fade. Its a book about living in the present moment, of not getting stuck in the grief of past experiences or hungering after an unattainable, unknowable future - of leavng the past behind us and leaving the future to the mercy of God. Its been immensely helpful to me in my (as yet) relatively short life.

I also adore the Letters of John, for the same reasons as I love the Gospel - the message of peace, joy and love. And the letters of St Paul - where to begin? They are incredible. I particularly love 1 Corinthians - the 13th chapter on love “If I have not love” - is just so powerful and exhilirating to read. And Ephesians is spectacular from start to finish. Galatians, I would read first after Corinthians. Its famous verse, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (NIV) - has been called "the Magna Carta of humanity. Its the greatest statement of spiritual equality and unity in the eyes of God ever written. Its shows us how to see all as equals and brothers and sisters made in the Image of God regardless of their gender, race, nationality or social class.

I could go on, I love all of scripture but I have no time left so that will do! Hope I didn’t ramble too much!
 
When we die, we hope to go to heaven to spend eternity with God. Paradise and Heaven are two terms for the same place.

I would recommend that you start with the Gospels where Jesus’ life and mission are detailed. Then, you might go over the epistles in the New Testament, reading them in light of the Gospels. After that, you can go back and read the Old Testament in the light of the Gospels and the epistles.
 
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