When we say 'Roman Catholic Church, what are we talking about?

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[5Loaves]

The CCC may be more Western, but it is still the Catechism of the Catholic Church is it not? Are we going to have two catechisms now?

Yes, we have more than two. The intention was to have local catechisms, such as the United States Catholic Catechism for Adults.

Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum On the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church Prepared following the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council John Paul, Bishop Servant of the servants of God For Everlasting Memory

…This catechism is not intended to replace the local catechisms duly approved by the ecclesiastical authorities, the diocesan Bishops and the Episcopal Conferences, especially if they have been approved by the Apostolic See. It is meant to encourage and assist in the writing of new local catechisms, which must take into account various situations and cultures, while carefully preserving the unity of faith and fidelity to Catholic doctrine…

The hot-off-the-press YouCat is a unique example. You can read HH Benedict XVI’s exuberant forward to this new youth catechism here.

An example of an Eastern Catholic Catechism is Light for Life which was Commissioned by U.S. Eastern Catholic Bishops :

Light for Life Part One — The Mystery Believed
Part Two - The Mystery Celebrated
Part Three - The Mystery Lived

I love the format of the Living God: A Catechism for the Christian Faith - Volumes 1 & 2 . I got my copies used via Amazon. It is put out by St. Vlad’s. I think many or most ECCs do use Orthodox materials.

…Unlike traditional catechisms containing questions and answers in a rather formal, even scholastic style, this introduction to the basic teachings and life of the Church brings together Scripture, theology, iconography, hymnography, feasts and liturgy in a fully integrated manner. …

 

[Alexander_Roman]

All catholic churches in communion with the holy See (the bishop of Rome) . . .

No sir - Eastern Catholics would never call themselves “Roman Catholic” which speaks to the Roman Rite Particular Church of the West.

When the Orthodox East was in communion with Rome during the first millennium, it never did refer to itself as “Roman Catholic” either.

Alex

 

[Alexander_Roman]

Wow. I don’t understand why there is so much confusion. How are pre-converts like me ever going to get it right?

Most Latin Catholics haven’t an inkling about the Eastern Catholic Rites and Churches, no matter how “integral” they are said to be.

You are preparing to become a member of the RC Church - don’t confuse yourself over the East!

Alex

 

[TrueLight]

Yes, we have more than two. The intention was to have local catechisms, such as the United States Catholic Catechism for Adults.

The hot-off-the-press YouCat is a unique example. You can read HH Benedict XVI’s exuberant forward to this new youth catechism here.

An example of an Eastern Catholic Catechism is Light for Life which was Commissioned by U.S. Eastern Catholic Bishops :

Light for Life Part One — The Mystery Believed
Part Two - The Mystery Celebrated
Part Three - The Mystery Lived

I love the format of the Living God: A Catechism for the Christian Faith - Volumes 1 & 2 . I got my copies used via Amazon. It is put out by St. Vlad’s. I think many or most ECCs do use Orthodox materials.

Well thank you! This is most educational.

 

[TrueLight]

Most Latin Catholics haven’t an inkling about the Eastern Catholic Rites and Churches, no matter how “integral” they are said to be.

You are preparing to become a member of the RC Church - don’t confuse yourself over the East!

Alex

I am preparing to become part of the Catholic Church and as such I should be familiar with all the limbs of its body.

And besides, since I haven’t even started RCIA, I could end up anywhere, so don’t be too quick to dismiss me.

And also, I’m the type of person that would visit Eastern Catholic churches as well because hopefully “in communion” means more than just in communion with Rome, but also in communion with each other, as the body of Christ.

 

[Wesley7]

Where does it list all the rites/churches?

I don’t think it does. It was officially published by the Vatican/Diocese of Rome.

It really does spell out and explain everything in detail.

 

[Ne_OrangeKnight]

And also, I’m the type of person that would visit Eastern Catholic churches as well because hopefully “in communion” means more than just in communion with Rome, but also in communion with each other, as the body of Christ.

You definitely should. I visited a small Byzantine Catholic Church when I lived in New Orleans, and it was a great experience. I’m planning to go to a semi-local Maronite church in the next couple weeks. It’s fascinating to see all the different ways that the Universal Church has to worship the Lord.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight

 

[5Loaves]

Most Latin Catholics haven’t an inkling about the Eastern Catholic Rites and Churches, no matter how “integral” they are said to be.

You are preparing to become a member of the RC Church - don’t confuse yourself over the East!

Alex

I’d say don’t confuse your fellow inquirers and catechumens. Chances are very good that the catechists in your Latin parish won’t be in a position to speak accurately about ECs. (Although who knows, I’m a Greek Catholic working as a catechist in a Latin Church parish. ) If… when… you have questions about the ECCs from what you have picked up here and in an EC parish I’d suggest bringing those questions to the priest and the deacon at the EC parish. They are completely used to dealing with Latin/EC questions. There may easily be catechumens in your RCIA who know next to nothing about Christianity. You’re not in that position. They have a lot of ground to cover, especially since you seem to be in a parish that doesn’t have year round RCIA. I’m sorry we are on opposite coasts. It would be fun to be more intimately present during your journey.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I am preparing to become part of the Catholic Church and as such I should be familiar with all the limbs of its body.

And besides, since I haven’t even started RCIA, I could end up anywhere, so don’t be too quick to dismiss me.

And also, I’m the type of person that would visit Eastern Catholic churches as well because hopefully “in communion” means more than just in communion with Rome, but also in communion with each other, as the body of Christ.

You have to focus your learning. Most people live a lifetime and don’t learn everything about their own faith. If you are discerning if you should be Roman Catholic or Eastern Catholic, then good. But don’t try to take in everything in such a short time. Decide where you want to go and focus on learning that one first before learning about the other Churches. Given you are just at the beginning of your journey, best to concentrate on getting integrated in the sui juris you are coming into first.

 

[TrueLight]

You definitely should. I visited a small Byzantine Catholic Church when I lived in New Orleans, and it was a great experience. I’m planning to go to a semi-local Maronite church in the next couple weeks. It’s fascinating to see all the different ways that the Universal Church has to worship the Lord.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight

I actually visited an OCA church about a month ago. Very nice Liturgy. I’d love to visit an EC church. Byzantine EC is next!

 

[TrueLight]

I’m sorry we are on opposite coasts. It would be fun to be more intimately present during your journey.

I am so touched by that comment.

 

[TrueLight]

You have to focus your learning. Most people live a lifetime and don’t learn everything about their own faith. If you are discerning if you should be Roman Catholic or Eastern Catholic, then good. But don’t try to take in everything in such a short time. Decide where you want to go and focus on learning that one first before learning about the other Churches. Given you are just at the beginning of your journey, best to concentrate on getting integrated in the sui juris you are coming into first.

That’s very good advice. Thank you.

It’s sort of the way I’m wired. I tend to be well-rounded and interested in a lot of things although I may focus more on one thing.

I sort of look at this as a semester in Catholicism. My major is Catholicism, but I am taking classes such as Liturgy & Sacraments, the Latin Rite, the Eastern Churches, The Saints, the CCC, etc. Each one is a class, but there is one major.

I see each as part of the whole and it is a beautiful thing.

There are also some classes I am choosing not to take because I’m not ready to take them. I know what those are.

But I will take your advice to heart.

 

[ConstantineTG]

That’s very good advice. Thank you.

It’s sort of the way I’m wired. I tend to be well-rounded and interested in a lot of things although I may focus more on one thing.

I sort of look at this as a semester in Catholicism. My major is Catholicism, but I am taking classes such as Liturgy & Sacraments, the Latin Rite, the Eastern Churches, The Saints, the CCC, etc. Each one is a class, but there is one major.

I see each as part of the whole and it is a beautiful thing.

There are also some classes I am choosing not to take because I’m not ready to take them. I know what those are.

But I will take your advice to heart.

I understand where you are coming from, I’m pretty much the same way. My only problem is sometimes I take in too much and never really accomplish anything. Don’t worry, don’t rush, there will be a time for everything. Getting well catechized in one praxis is important before you try to understand the other praxis.

 

[TrueLight]

I understand where you are coming from, I’m pretty much the same way. My only problem is sometimes I take in too much and never really accomplish anything. Don’t worry, don’t rush, there will be a time for everything. Getting well catechized in one praxis is important before you try to understand the other praxis.

Thank you.

 

[hazcompat]

Well the UGCC Catechism is meant for Ukrainian Catholics. It would also have value to other Byzantine Catholics. It will present the faith in the Eastern praxis so I don’t think Roman Catholics need to read it unless they want to learn about the Byzantine spirituality.

I would like to read an english version when available. If you would keep us posted?

peace

 

[ConstantineTG]

I would like to read an english version when available. If you would keep us posted?

peace

I will definitely create a thread for it if no one beats me to it

 

[Aramis]

There are 22 Eastern Catholic Churches that are categorized by the 5 rites they use:

There is only one Western Catholic Church which is in the Latin Rite. Would this be what we call the Roman Catholic Church or is the Roman Catholic Church the entire Catholic Church, including the 22 Eastern Churches?

There are several western rites, all very close, and properly subrites of the Roman.

The Roman Catholic Church is ONLY those western rites.

The Holy Catholic Church is the union of the 23 Churches Sui Iuris, of which the Roman is one. See the introductory texts of the CCEO and the CIC.

 

[5Loaves]

Well thank you! This is most educational.

In the East we say the Liturgy is the Catechesis. That’s one reason I like the Living God: A Catechism for the Christian Faith format so much because it includes a lot of material straight from the liturgy and services. I think most of the time Catholics don’t really hear, attend to, the words of the Mass. In the East we have so much repetition and there isn’t the kid of variation you get in the Roman Rite. So it really sinks in. Still, some days I find myself thinking “What do we mean when we pray that?” about a phrase. We will never stop unpacking the wealth of teaching we have in our Liturgy. In any case you might challenge yourself to really listen to the prayers and the hymns in your Roman Rite Mass and notice the teaching that is going on through those words. You’re in a more traditional parish I believe so you should be hearing orthodox teaching in both the hymns and the prayers. With the new English translation of the Roman Missal coming in Advent there will be an even clearer teaching shining through.

 

[TrueLight]

In the East we say the Liturgy is the Catechesis. That’s one reason I like the Living God: A Catechism for the Christian Faith format so much because it includes a lot of material straight from the liturgy and services. I think most of the time Catholics don’t really hear, attend to, the words of the Mass. In the East we have so much repetition and there isn’t the kid of variation you get in the Roman Rite. So it really sinks in. Still, some days I find myself thinking “What do we mean when we pray that?” about a phrase. We will never stop unpacking the wealth of teaching we have in our Liturgy. In any case you might challenge yourself to really listen to the prayers and the hymns in your Roman Rite Mass and notice the teaching that is going on through those words. You’re in a more traditional parish I believe so you should be hearing orthodox teaching in both the hymns and the prayers. With the new English translation of the Roman Missal coming in Advent there will be an even clearer teaching shining through.

Yeah. I mostly attend the Latin mass and I have been studying the meaning of the mass and there are layers and layers of meaning.