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lak611
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We know that the Mass was changed in 1969. When were the rites for the other sacraments changed (for instance: baptism, holy orders, confirmation)?
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brotherhrolf
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Don’t know about that. I will say that only a bishop or archbishop could confirm - priests were not allowed. And then there was the part of the rite where the bishop “slapped” your face to remind you that you were a soldier of Christ - a member of the church militant.
I’ve only seen Holy Orders after Vatican II but the young deacons still prostrate themselves before the altar.
With the exception that Baptism can now be done within the context of Mass, it’s not much different.
When did this come about? Probably in the early 80s.
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lak611
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I know that the rubrics were actually changed. For instance, in baptism, the priest used to do an exorcism by placing salt in the baby’s mouth, but that isn’t done any more. I wonder if I was baptized according to the old or new rite, since I was baptized in 1969. I’m sure my mother and godmother do not remember. I did not get the “face slap” by the bishop when I was confirmed in 1983.
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brotherhrolf
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I had forgotten about the salt and the exorcorcisim. I have a 1967 transitional missal and it is gone by then as is the rite of Confirmation (I was confirmed in 1963). So that’s interesting.
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lak611
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My 1962 Missal (actually a new one from Baronius Press published in 2004) does not have anything about baptism or confirmation. I’ll check my mother’s original 1955 Missal and see if anything about those sacraments is in there.
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AJV
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Depending when exactly it was in 1969 (and other factors like whether the priest would have had the liturgical books) it might have been either a modified old rite or the new rite. The new order for baptism of infants was promulgated in 1969.
As for the face slap, I was told by someone that our former bishop still did it in the new rite- habit, I suppose.
The revision of the rites is again linked to Sacrosanctum Concilium. For some cases, like the baptism for adults, it was extensive because there was a restoration of the catechumentate and a more pronounced emphasis for this in Lent.
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AJV
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The Latin was issued in mid-May, I think the provisional English translations followed soon after.
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brotherhrolf
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My wife’s Missal is dated January 1966. I was a freshman in high school then. I don’t recall our school Masses really changing until the fall of my senior year in 1968. Out came the guitars and everything changed to “meet the needs of my generation” Should have seen it coming the year before. The younger brothers who taught us wore black pants, white shirt, and black tie. The older brothers maintained their cassocks and rosaries.
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AJV
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I thought the rites of Confirmation and baptism were largely the same at that date with only small changes like single sign of the cross instead of a triple . Does your missal indicate when these changes took place or what were the other changes?
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brotherhrolf
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No, in '66 it was still the triple cross. Triple cross on Confirmation too.
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AJV
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That’s strange- the change was made in 64/65. I suppose it took more time to implement in some places than others?
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brotherhrolf
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bpbasilphx
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IN most Eastern Catholic churches, the priest is the ordinary minister of confirmation.
And Pope Pius X!! gave Roman rite pastors faculties to administer confirmation to those of their faithful in danger of death.
IN most Eastern Catholic churches, the priest is the ordinary minister of confirmation.
And Pope Pius X!! gave Roman rite pastors faculties to administer confirmation to those of their faithful in danger of death.
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