When Will the Economy Improve?

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When will it all end? When will there be a better day?

Not for a while. And not until the U.S. wakes up and smells the coffee and realizes it will not be immune to a sovereign-debt crisis and that our leaders are also embarking down the wrong path, trying to socially engineer a solution through tax-and-spend measures, through class warfare, and more.
 
The economy will improve either after Obama completes his second term in office or after Romney is defeated following his first term in office.
 
Iit may be that whoever happens to be in office when the meltdown occurs will get blamed for it, along with his party. The electorate will blame that party for the next several decades or however long it takes to recover.

I suppose, in that case, each one should be hoping that the other wins, and thereby gets the blame!
 
When our leaders stop chasing sin wrapped in outfits of deceit.
 
I don’t think it will improve until the western world learns that it needs to stop offending God by murdering it’s young, promoting sodomy, and endorsing contraception.

In our personal lives I’m sure that many of us know what happens when we turn our backs on God (things get pretty ugly). I don’t know why the rules would be any different for societies…
 
When We come back to the LORD. Until then, what do we expect, the wages of sin are death!! Wake Up WORLD!!
 
I’m an old political science major.

Typically the president and his party have been able, over the past decades, to release a little coin into the system, to give a bit of a buzz or uptick in the economy around election time.

It hasn’t happened now, in 2012, because the whole damn situation is so flat. We’re enormously in debt everywhere.

That’s the big explanation: no improvement in 2012.

The Current Occupant doesn’t have good connections with the business world. We’ve seen that, so don’t expect business in America to get whupped up and excited. They know the score. And leading corporations, in 2012, have NO PATRIOTISM or LOCAL CONCERN whatever: why should they care about America.
 
When the “job creators” start using those tax cuts they got during the last administration to actually create jobs…:rolleyes:
 
When the “job creators” start using those tax cuts they got during the last administration to actually create jobs…:rolleyes:
Since when would even the most ardent Keneysian suggest raising taxes during a recession/depression?

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When will the economy improve? When risk takers feel optimistic enough to take risks again.
 
When we start making the things we need in the U.S. again.
 
When the “job creators” start using those tax cuts they got during the last administration to actually create jobs…:rolleyes:
For virtually all of the previous administration, SOMEBODY created a lot of jobs. Only a fool or a person with a subsidy or sure thing would gamble on hiring now. When you can’t know what your taxes, healthcare costs, energy costs, transportation costs are going to be other than higher to some degree, and when you can see higher interest rates looming, why would you hire?
 
Hmmm. Never answered the OP’s question, did I?

I think the economy will improve in fits and starts, with corresponding downturns, just as it did in the Depression, but, as in the Depression, with an always too high rate of unemployment and underemployment.

It could improve if the deficit can be sharply reduced. The deficit is a very big driver in the export of jobs from this country. In addition, the concern for savage interest rates in the future due to overspending, is something no business person can ignore. To some degree those higher rates are already “baked in”, but they can be lessened.
 
For virtually all of the previous administration, SOMEBODY created a lot of jobs. Only a fool or a person with a subsidy or sure thing would gamble on hiring now. When you can’t know what your taxes, healthcare costs, energy costs, transportation costs are going to be other than higher to some degree, and when you can see higher interest rates looming, why would you hire?
In December of 2008, eleven million people were out of work, the culmination of twelve straight months of rising unemployment. In December 2007 the rate was less than 5%, twelve months later it was 7.2%.

So where were all those jobs again?

The cut taxes and spend money like crazy plan put us on the highway to the mess we’re still crawling out of.
 
In December of 2008, eleven million people were out of work, the culmination of twelve straight months of rising unemployment. In December 2007 the rate was less than 5%, twelve months later it was 7.2%.

So where were all those jobs again?

The cut taxes and spend money like crazy plan put us on the highway to the mess we’re still crawling out of.
I will readily agree that previous administration bobbled some things economically. But I don’t think the worst can be blamed on it.

The tax cuts were before the wars. The deficit certainly increased with the wars. But then, it steadily decreased until 2008. In 2007 it was about 1/10 what it is now, annually.

We were probably due a recession. I accept that. But what made it so very much worse was that there were all of those bad derivatives out there, in large part due to FNMA and FHLMC buying bad loans; loans that almost anyone could tell were bad. It’s not that derivatives were new. They weren’t. But the proliferation of derivatives that were bad at the core were a huge part of the exacerbation. That led to TARP 1(b) which was basically a device by which the bad banks could be acquired by the good banks, since the government could see that TARP 1(a) was not nearly enough to buy all the bad securities.

And, since insurers are dependent on return from fixed income securities, with only premiums with which to make up the difference, health insurance jolted sharply upward.

Bush tried to reform FNMA and FHLMC, but was stoutly opposed by Dodd, Frank, Schumer and Obama. Should he have tried harder? I will always think so.

So, 2009 started with this country in recession. So, what did the administration do? They raised taxes via Obamacare, promised that energy would cost more, that taxes would be higher, that they would “put coal out of business” (thus the cheapest energy). And, of all things, FNMA and FHLMC are still buying bad loans. Part of my business is closing loans, and I can readily see it. If I can see it, so can others. And now we’re almost four years later and still businesses won’t hire or invest, because nobody has a clue what his costs are going to be; knows this administration has a radical agenda and that it has placed itself such that it acts suddenly and arbitrarily and in unexpected ways.

I realize that recessions and depressions have their technical definitions. Personally, I think of depressions in terms of the way my grandfather described the Great Depresssion. It had its ups and downs, but its major characteristic was extreme caution on the part of those who might have hired or invested and a chronic, institutionalized high unemployment rate. It was as if the economy had lost a limb. In my opinion, that’s what we have now, and I don’t think we’ll be out of it until a LOT of curative work is done. Trouble is, the longer it goes on, the harder it will be to fix, because people adapt to even a bad economy. Unemployed people become deconditioned to work. Underemployed people often don’t learn more advanced skills. Some get used to the idea of just not trying anymore. Some get set in extremely cautious states of mind. Businesses just don’t do the “forward looking” things they might do if they had more faith in the economy, so the whole thing gets behind where it should be. Failure to do things that are forward looking is extremely bad for the economy, because productive capacities don’t increase. Technologies are not invested in. People are not hired for the future.
 
The ACA tax has not taken effect yet, and even when it does,it will only effect those who can pay for health insurance but choose not to.

Yes, taxes have been raised on some things, but some have also been cut taxes-like the payroll tax that benefitted a huge number of working Americans. Some of the campaign rhetoric is just plain false when you check the actual records.

Government is not a business and you don’t run it lke one. You’re not in it to make a profit. You’re in it to make sure the citizens are safe, educated and healthy because that’s how you have a strong nation.
 
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