When will your church begin using the new NO translation?

[japhy]

It is not up to local bishops to determine when the new translation will be used, as far as I know. The Vatican must first give its recognitio to the whole new translation (soon, I hope). I would expect that the whole English-speaking Church will make the switch to the new translation at the same time… around Advent of 2011 (that’s November/December of 2011, not 2010).

 

[thomas_jd]

If you are talking about the brochures from LTP they just came out with them in a book form with a leaders guide. I think these are a lot better than the ones in the pamphlet form. It is the same text as the pamphlets but just all together in one booklet and there is also a bulk discount. I think it comes to just over $1 each.

The pamplets are from LTP. They give the reasoning behind the changes in addition to the text. I haven’t seen the new booklet .

 

[Joannm]

The pamplets are from LTP. They give the reasoning behind the changes in addition to the text. I haven’t seen the new booklet .

The booklet just came out. It is the same text as the pamphlets and they also have a leaders guide if you wanted to do it as a course in the parish.

 

[Marie5890]

I was happy to here that my church will use the new translation this coming advent. Has any one else heard when their parish would make the change?

Ive attended a seminar just recently. The msgr who gave it has been very involved with ICEL ( Monsignor Anthony F. Sherman, Executive Director of the
Secretariat of Divine Worship)

Earliest approval from Rome (big “IF” here) is “possibly” this August. Emphasis “possible”

It then will take added time for all the printing of new materials to get out.

Expect for it to be begun to use it Advent of '11 NOT Advent '10

Rome allowed South Africa to introduce it sooner. It caused such big problems that Rome said STOP

More info here usccb.org/romanmissal/

 

[Joannm]

Ive attended a seminar just recently. The msgr who gave it has been very involved with ICEL ( Monsignor Anthony F. Sherman, Executive Director of the
Secretariat of Divine Worship)

Earliest approval from Rome (big “IF” here) is “possibly” this August. Emphasis “possible”

It then will take added time for all the printing of new materials to get out.

Expect for it to be begun to use it Advent of '11 NOT Advent '10

Rome allowed South Africa to introduce it sooner. It caused such big problems that Rome said STOP

More info here usccb.org/romanmissal/

Msgr Sherman, who I do know, works for the Bishop’s Committee for Divine Worship as the Secretary, so he knows what he is talking about. I had first heard that the recognitio might come by the end of this month, but I guess now it is taking longer. I know there are some adaptations from various conferences that they are discussing. I guess that is what is taking time.

 

[benedictgal]

Msgr Sherman, who I do know, works for the Bishop’s Committee for Divine Worship as the Secretary, so he knows what he is talking about. I had first heard that the recognitio might come by the end of this month, but I guess now it is taking longer. I know there are some adaptations from various conferences that they are discussing. I guess that is what is taking time.

Actually, the New Liturgical Movement published this on their blog:

he USCCB is delaying new English texts following recognitio in order to accommodate the wishes of the Big Three – this according to the Catholic Telegraph of Cincinnati. Meanwhile, there have been several sightings of music already in print - perhaps without proper permissions etc.

So, it’s not Rome’s fault. It seems that the composers working for the big three are against the new translations.

It just seems to me that all of this is just another stalling tactic by those who do not want to see this implemented. We do not need to have groups studying this until the proverbial cows come home. The problem is that we tend to think that committees and workshops are the way to go. But, speaking as someone who has had her fill of these, they don’t make things easier. Besides, we have already had the text of the Ordinary in our hands for almost two years now. The composers have had the texts in their hands for almost two years. Does it really take two years to set something to music?

It’s just better to publish the Roman Missal and get it in the hands of the priests and let’s move forward.

 

[jayk15]

What church is that, if I can ask (just generally), and how did you hear? Like BenedictGal, I didn’t think it had been approved for use anywhere yet, except I guess in South Africa where they started using it without permission.

Yeah, my country’s bishops conference was a bit over eager. At least Rome granted permission for us to continue using it.

 

[CDNowak]

Diocese of Grand Rapids started a fourteen-part series on the translation in their diocesan monthly. Well, on the translation may be the intention, the didn’t actually get around to that in the first article .

benedictgirl, you have read, I am sure, that the big three are already circulating the music, while NLM affiliated musicians are still under the publishing embargo? The issue of copyright and publishing houses for the liturgy is one that must be dealt with, unfortunately it will not be this time around. (Perhaps if the LotH project is going forward?)

 

[benedictgal]

Diocese of Grand Rapids started a fourteen-part series on the translation in their diocesan monthly. Well, on the translation may be the intention, the didn’t actually get around to that in the first article .

benedictgirl, you have read, I am sure, that the big three are already circulating the music, while NLM affiliated musicians are still under the publishing embargo? The issue of copyright and publishing houses for the liturgy is one that must be dealt with, unfortunately it will not be this time around. (Perhaps if the LotH project is going forward?)

Yes. I have read that. This is not a good development. Were I the NLM, I would send a letter not to ICEL, but, to the CDWDS and tell them what is happening. This is grossly unfair, especially since, from what I have seen of the NLM-affiliated musicians, their work is more closely in line with what the authoritative documents asks for as opposed to the usual drek from OCP, Haugen and Haas.

What concerns me the most is that Marty Haugen is going to be conducting a workshop on the new translations. This is not a good sign, not at all, as I see it.

 

[MarkThompson]

What concerns me the most is that Marty Haugen is going to be conducting a workshop on the new translations. This is not a good sign, not at all, as I see it.

I think he’s co-conducting it, along with Fr. Joncas and someone else, so at least they’re not just putting a Protestant at the head of it.

 

[benedictgal]

I think he’s co-conducting it, along with Fr. Joncas and someone else, so at least they’re not just putting a Protestant at the head of it.

Still, just the fact that Haugen is a part of this does not, in my opinion, bode well.

 

[Marie5890]

So, it’s not Rome’s fault.

According to what Msgr. Sherman said, the Pope very much wants it out ASAP.

He told of a “fairly” recent event (I dont recall how recent to be honest) that he and a bishop attended in Rome and they had an opportunity to briefly meet with the Holy Father. He told both the bishop and the Msgr that the new translation needs to get finished up.

It’s not Rome dragging their feet was the impression I got the seminar.

 

[Corki]

I am hoping with my whole heart that it will be this Advent. We will use the new translations the minute Rome gives the green light. As much as I would love to use them now, we cannot jump the gun. Nonetheless, I suspect that Rome is just as eager for us to get moving.

This is my own personal prediction for when I will personally get to use the new translations regularly in my diocese.

I predict Rome will release them for use in English speaking countries for Advent 2010. The USCCB wants a year for “preparation”; the OCP will only start working on new missals for after the USCCB’s year is over. That brings us to Advent 2012, at the earliest for a US adoption via missalette.

Then in our diocese, the parishes will be told to use the new missals only if it can be done without *too much *disruption to the parish. Eventually the congregations will be using what’s in the missalettes but the priests will be allowed to continue the current wording if they believe it’s too hard to learn the new. The music ministers will then be given some extra time to learn and prepare pieces using the new translations. I expect most of this will take place by about 2017. But it will still be optional based on the preference of the priest and the music directors for “good reason” or expense.

By around the year 2020, the Archbishop (I don’t think Cardinal DiNardo will still be in Houston then) will get impatient and issue a direction that everyone must be using the new translation by 2022. There will still be several parishes around who either because they emphasize being more “pastoral than liturgical” or by an appeal to the traditions of the past (by then) 60 years, will choose to use what is now the current translation in spite of the Archbisop’s directive.

 

[Joannm]

According to what Msgr. Sherman said, the Pope very much wants it out ASAP.

He told of a “fairly” recent event (I dont recall how recent to be honest) that he and a bishop attended in Rome and they had an opportunity to briefly meet with the Holy Father. He told both the bishop and the Msgr that the new translation needs to get finished up.

It’s not Rome dragging their feet was the impression I got the seminar.

Actually it is in the hands of ICEL right now. They have to approve it before the Vatican does. Also since it involved 13 or so episcopal conferences, all their adaptations and additions (such as “Christ has died…” which is still being debated by ICEL) have to be settled.

 

[cajunrick]

No parish can legitimately use the new translation until it becomes the official liturgy of the Church. The Vatican, along with the bishop’s conference, will establish a date, and no parish or diocese has the power to “jump the gun” except for perhaps specifically approved demonstration masses. These will no doubt take place throughout the English speaking world as the Vatican would not want the very first time a priest hears/celebrates the mass to be in public in front of a congregation.

There are still questions to be resolved. For example, the “Mystery of Faith” statement “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again” is not in the original Latin nor in the current green book. The bishops have requested permission to continue to use it, but until a decision is made and official recognition given, publication cannot begin. The translation will not be used based on a xerox copy; published books must be available and all parishes must have the opportunity to order them.

I would say Advent 2011 is a likely time frame, but it is by no means certain at this point.

We saw what happened after the Liturgy of Paul VI was originally approved. I’d rather they take an extra year and get it all right then live another 40 years with a bad translation…

 

[Monica4316]

It’s for the entire English-speaking world, including the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada!

that’s great

 

[benedictgal]

No parish can legitimately use the new translation until it becomes the official liturgy of the Church. The Vatican, along with the bishop’s conference, will establish a date, and no parish or diocese has the power to “jump the gun” except for perhaps specifically approved demonstration masses. These will no doubt take place throughout the English speaking world as the Vatican would not want the very first time a priest hears/celebrates the mass to be in public in front of a congregation.

There are still questions to be resolved. For example, the “Mystery of Faith” statement “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again” is not in the original Latin nor in the current green book. The bishops have requested permission to continue to use it, but until a decision is made and official recognition given, publication cannot begin. The translation will not be used based on a xerox copy; published books must be available and all parishes must have the opportunity to order them.

I would say Advent 2011 is a likely time frame, but it is by no means certain at this point.

We saw what happened after the Liturgy of Paul VI was originally approved. I’d rather they take an extra year and get it all right then live another 40 years with a bad translation…

With all due respect, moving forward and moving as soon as possible will not yield us a bad translation. The new translation is excellent and I believe it should not be delayed. I really think that the composers of the publishing houses seem to have an axe to grind and want to delay the inevitable.

 

[Dylpickleh8]

I am from the diocese of Orlando, Florida. I asked my parish priest and he said we would use it this advent. I hope this is true.

Diocese Neighbor! I’m from the Diocese of St. Petersburg.

Anyway, I guess we’ll be getting that too. I can’t wait.

(I just bought a [used] missal, so I guess I have to get a new one. )