When's Gluttony a Mortal Sin?

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So I just had diner a while ago and got a bit more on my plate than I expected. I thought about putting some of the food away but it would take some work to remove the lettuce from the tacos and figure out where to put them so I just ate them all and felt quite full. I thought about gluttony as I ate but convinced myself that it wouldn’t be since it would be a sort of waste otherwise. (at least that’s what I told myself)
So my question would be…when is gluttony a mortal sin? As a growing teen, I get cravings at times for foods I wouldn’t normally reach for and sometimes ‘pig out’ with inital hunger that’s quickly replaced by a bulgy full feeling.
 
Gluttony, like drinking to excess, usually is obvious to the person because it has immediate physical effects. That feeling of fullness. If you ate so much you were physically incapacitated, then that is a big warning. If your pattern of eating over the long run is such you are verging on morbid obesity, maybe you need to examine things.

If you are a growing teenager, your body will tell you what it needs. Like pregnant women who find themselves ravenous… sometimes the body lets one know for very good reason to increase food intake.

If you feel guilty for not taking the lettuce off your taco this time, I’d suggest you fast your next meal. Fasting isn’t just for Lent. It’s good to do it throughout the year on a regular basis to keep your senses disciplined.

I’m not a priest, but maybe if you worry you should take this up with a confessor. But I don’t think I’m too far off what he’d say.
 
Gluttony, like drinking to excess, usually is obvious to the person because it has immediate physical effects. That feeling of fullness. If you ate so much you were physically incapacitated, then that is a big warning. If your pattern of eating over the long run is such you are verging on morbid obesity, maybe you need to examine things.

If you are a growing teenager, your body will tell you what it needs. Like pregnant women who find themselves ravenous… sometimes the body lets one know for very good reason to increase food intake.

If you feel guilty for not taking the lettuce off your taco this time, I’d suggest you fast your next meal. Fasting isn’t just for Lent. It’s good to do it throughout the year on a regular basis to keep your senses disciplined.

I’m not a priest, but maybe if you worry you should take this up with a confessor. But I don’t think I’m too far off what he’d say.
Well I’m not exactly obese (I’ve been told I’m rather skinny, compliment or not) I was hungry at the time but since I tend to eat rather fast (a bad habit) I didn’t really realize how much I’d eaten until my stomache complained. Well there was 1 taco left, I didn’t want to go through the trouble of saving it as left-over and I didn’t want to throw it out so I ate it, gluttony hovering over my head. And since I tend to be just a wee bit on the scrupulous side, I decided to post. I don’t know much about gluttony except that it’s basically a sort of overindulgence and a deadly sin.
 
You don’t have to “obese” to commit gluttony. There are plenty of skinny people who commit gluttony; some of them have eating disorders (bulimia) some of them don’t–they just overeat & don’t gain weight or work it off. And not everyone who is overweight is out their committing gluttony all the time either.
 
Well I’m not exactly obese (I’ve been told I’m rather skinny, compliment or not) I was hungry at the time but since I tend to eat rather fast (a bad habit) I didn’t really realize how much I’d eaten until my stomache complained. Well there was 1 taco left, I didn’t want to go through the trouble of saving it as left-over and I didn’t want to throw it out so I ate it, gluttony hovering over my head. And since I tend to be just a wee bit on the scrupulous side, I decided to post. I don’t know much about gluttony except that it’s basically a sort of overindulgence and a deadly sin.
I’m no authority, but when I read your first post the possibility of scrupulosity occurred to me. I always thought of gluttony as extreme/habitual over-consuming. This forum seems to be a good place for guidance, but if your conscience is not settled here do talk to a priest at your parish. God Bless.
 
Well I’m not exactly obese (I’ve been told I’m rather skinny, compliment or not) I was hungry at the time but since I tend to eat rather fast (a bad habit) I didn’t really realize how much I’d eaten until my stomache complained. Well there was 1 taco left, I didn’t want to go through the trouble of saving it as left-over and I didn’t want to throw it out so I ate it, gluttony hovering over my head. And since I tend to be just a wee bit on the scrupulous side, I decided to post. I don’t know much about gluttony except that it’s basically a sort of overindulgence and a deadly sin.
A wee bit??? 🙂

Actually, the issue here is more laziness than gluttony. But whether it was laziness or gluttony or both, it was certainly not seriously sinful - more like an imperfection.

Sinful gluttony is ***living for ***food and drink and other comforts. Do you plan your life around having everything imaginable to eat and drink? Are you seriously upset if your food isn’t just right? As a growing teen, you are subject to legitimate needs for more food than we shrinking, sedentary adults are. Don’t worry about occasionally being extra hungry and eating more to satisfy that legitimate need.

Betsy
 
The other day I ate 12 pieces of cake…it was weird where the heck i put it I may never know…

I wouldnt worry about your situation it would have been wasting to not eat it (and my mother always said there are starving people in africa and food shouldnt be wasted)
 
The other day I ate 12 pieces of cake…it was weird where the heck i put it I may never know…

I wouldnt worry about your situation it would have been wasting to not eat it (and my mother always said there are starving people in africa and food shouldnt be wasted)
Like baltobetsy said, i think it was more of a laziness issue than gluttony (or both, most likely). I guess i was just too lazy to go through the trouble of disecting a taco and packing it into some plastic box and decided instead to pack it into my full stomache:shrug:

:dts: tsk tsk, gluttony and slothfulness (among other things).
 
(and my mother always said there are starving people in africa and food shouldnt be wasted)
When my grandmother told this to my mother (I think it was China back then), my mother told her to send it to them! 🙂

BTW, S_V7, don’t be thinking eating the taco was a mortal sin, OK?

Betsy
 
I like to eat before I go to bed.

I am also skinny and don’t like eating much during the day, it makes me feel heavy and tired. But eating before I go to sleep helps me go to sleep and is nice and comforting. I actually look so forward to that comfort that I don’t like too big a dinner because I’d rather eat more later.

Is that a little bit of gluttony too? The looking-forward-to-it part?

I never much thought of it as that. But now, after reading this post… and tending to be on the srcupulous side as well, more than a wee bit 😉 I am a little worried.

Is it ok to have a nice bedtime snack and look forward to it? Or has it become an addiction and maybe gluttony?

I WAS anorexic before. So I do have a history of eating disorders. And I am also worried that my pulse and blood pressure drop low if I don’t eat something before going to bed.

I know what. I have to keep working on keeping it a SNACK and not… go back for more and more…😉 It’s just my way of winding down from the day. A book, some bread, some fruit… simple stuff.

Kathrin
 
Kathrin, God attached pleasure to the things that are necessary to our survival as a species and as individuals. He intends for us to enjoy food and sex with our spouse and a long, cool drink of water. It is perfectly fine to look forward to your bedtime snack, as long as it’s not the focus of your entire day.

Two things to help you keep your perspective on this little meal - gratitude to God for it and a *small *mortification as part of it. Don’t salt the egg, or drink water instead of your favorite beverage, or use a little less of this or that condiment, or omit the dessert portion once in a while. Just *one little thing *will keep your eyes on heaven instead of the pleasures of earth. You’re not setting out to ruin the whole meal - just a little seasoning of sacrifice each night.

Betsy
 
Two things to help you keep your perspective on this little meal - gratitude to God for it and a *small *mortification as part of it. Don’t salt the egg, or drink water instead of your favorite beverage, or use a little less of this or that condiment, or omit the dessert portion once in a while. Just *one little thing *will keep your eyes on heaven instead of the pleasures of earth. You’re not setting out to ruin the whole meal - just a little seasoning of sacrifice each night.

Betsy
I do pray before I eat. I am thankful. I often pray for other people that their meals will be blessed too.

Don’t imagine this to be a real “meal”. So it is hard to leave out a condiment or something. My bedtime snack is usually real simple stuff, maybe a yogurt and some bread and some fruit. Sometimes only bread and fruit. The fruit I love because it is refrshing and it helps with thirst too and feels healthy. And I already very often buy the cheapest bread or eat the old bread from my parents or that bakeries throw out. So I don’t really know what I could leave out.

I think the thing I really have to pay attention to is that I don’t eat until I am OVERfull just because it’s such a pleasure. That is, even if I am already full, go back for more bread and another apple. I think that is NOT healthy.

Kathrin
 
Kathrin, I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Just stick to one serving of everything and you’ll be just fine!

Betsy
 
Haha, I guess that depends on what you call one serving.
Because of course if I eat just such simple stuff, I usually eat more than one fruit and more than one piece of bread.
Which I think is ok, especiallyif you feel your body needs it.

You know what I have done during Lent more than once? I restricted myself from snacking already while I prepared something to eat. because that feels so out of control sometimes. I think that is something I should do a little out of Lent too. To break that habit.

Of course it could also be that just in general I don’t eat very much and so I get really hungry and then have a hard time restraining myself.

But restraint (as long as it doesn’t slip down into anorexia!!!) feels so good. Last night I thought of this here. What we had talked about. And you know, it has helped me so much. I actually ate a smaller night snack, I didn’t eat until I felt stuffed and went back for more even when I was already full. (I went back for a LITTLE more because I was still hungry, but as I said, I guess that is ok.)

(breathe)
(Sometimes I write too fast and too much, I am sorry! makes me think this is all so much less important than so many other things.)

But Betsy, I must tell you, think this thread has helped me tremendously.

And I apologize to the person who started the thread, for adding my own situation.

Kathrin
 
I think its time for a song;

Chorus:
I’m a rambler, I’m a gambler, I’m a long way from home
And if you don’t like me, well, leave me alone
I’ll eat when I’m hungry, I’ll drink when I’m dry
And the moonshine don’t kill me, I’ll live til I die

I’ve been a moonshiner for many a year
I’ve spent all me money on whiskey and beer
I’ll go to some hollow, I’ll set up my still
And I’ll make you a gallon for a ten shilling bill

Chorus…

I’ll go to some hollow in this Countree
Ten gallons of wash I can go on a spree
No women to follow, the world is all mine
I love none so well as I love the moonshine

Chorus…

Oh, moonshine, dear moonshine, oh, how I love thee
You killed me old father, but ah you try me
Now bless all moonshiners and bless all moonshine
Their breath smells as sweet as the dew on the vine

Chorus…
 
So I just had diner a while ago and got a bit more on my plate than I expected. I thought about putting some of the food away but it would take some work to remove the lettuce from the tacos and figure out where to put them so I just ate them all and felt quite full. I thought about gluttony as I ate but convinced myself that it wouldn’t be since it would be a sort of waste otherwise. (at least that’s what I told myself)
So my question would be…when is gluttony a mortal sin? As a growing teen, I get cravings at times for foods I wouldn’t normally reach for and sometimes ‘pig out’ with inital hunger that’s quickly replaced by a bulgy full feeling.
Hi V7.

You sure are suffering from unnecessary scruples, not gluttony.

Say you were a small town sheriff and gorged yourself every day in front of a vagrant in the cell. If you allowed him to starve to death, while taunting him in this way, I’m sure the gluttony, not to mention the wilful cruelty, would lead you to side with evil. Thou shalt not murder.

During teenage years, the body’s hormone production is raging. This naturally drives the appetite into orbit. This is your body’s way of telling you to eat and grow. You’ll never reach your full stature and strength if you obsess about a leaf of lettuce.

Arguably this would be a sin against your God-given potential as an athlete or whatever(or even just a productive member of society)…though I don’t want to give you any more scruples.

I have a friend who has concerns like yours. She has done missionary work in Africa and Asia, and this is the source of these scruples.

Point is, they are now harming her health. She has become very frail, because she is not consuming enough nourishment. It even interferes with her wonderful work, because she has so little energy, and is very prone to illness. She is more than twenty years younger than me, but is far older in terms of health.

If you get to that stage, expect a life of ill health and frustation. When your bodyfat gets too low, or when you consume too little dietary fat, you can’t manufacture good hormones. These are ESSENTIAL for growth, repair, and mood.

Good fats are also essential for your BRAIN function. You will lose touch with the reality and danger of the situation(like my friend).

Expect joint problems, and posture plus breathing issues caused by atrophy of the back muscles. These problems will force you to walk with an old person’s shuffle.

Even if you get enough fat, if you don’t consume enough protein and vitamins and minerals, you will be CHRONICALLY ILL.

Seek counsel, if your reason can’t get these scruples under control.

Doing something really energetic on a regular basis like hillwalking, swimming or best of all weightlifting( ok, I’m biased), will give your hormone production and appetite a healthy boost to whatever should be normal for your body.

Many of these issues occur in people who are sedentary and very unfit…not as nature intended. The human body, male and female, is designed to be VERY strong and enduring. That this is not the case, in the developed world, is the result of lifestyle.

For such people, eating is DISSOCIATED FROM ACTUAL ENERGY REQUIREMENTS(which are actually very low due to lack of movement). This is the road to a very small, weak, chronically ill body…or very large, fat, chronically ill body!

If you become really active like me(weightlifting in my fifties after serious illness nearly killed me), you will eat as much as you need. You will be far healthier, and you will have a healthy appetite, and a healthy attitude towards food.

Hope this helps you back to reality.

You are truly blessed you if you can get out of bed in the morning(take it from me!). There is a whole wonderful world outside your head. It is full of people who could do with a kind word. It is full of people who would love to have a friend.

Get out there.

God bless.
 
what exactly is gluttony? Is it just when you eat more than you need to? Or is it when you eat enough to feel sick?
 
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