I have no idea. For me it was a new discovery. And I would vehemently deny that believers of any kind are “stupid, ignorant, cowardly, brainwashed”. I hope to learn from you, and therefore my finite time is not wasted.
And as I said in my first post, if you say that I am not welcome here, all you have to do is say so, and I will disappear. To have a civilized, respectful conversation can only be beneficial for both sides, at least that is my opinion.It would be amusing if it were true.
So here comes a problem:
My best guess? Purgatory until the end of the world, then finally, heaven.
Again, a guess;
Of course you know that the Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible…
Oh, you are twisting out of it. People like that do exist and they still can be atheists. What then? Also Jesus did say that there is no path to the Father except through him. No exceptions mentioned.
You know, from the tenor of you questions you don’t sound like an atheist. You almost sound like a……well I hate to use the “P” word hereOf course you know that the Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible…
Oh, you are twisting out of it. People like that do exist and they still can be atheists. What then? Also Jesus did say that there is no path to the Father except through him. No exceptions mentioned.
What is the “P” word??? I have no idea. But rest assured, I am an atheist, an abominable heathen.You know, from the tenor of you questions you don’t sound like an atheist. You almost sound like a……well I hate to use the “P” word here
Moreover, I am a staunch libertarian, a firm believer of personal rights and responsibilities.
It doesn’t have to be. We’re Catholics, remember? We don’t believe in sola scriptura.
I’m not twisting out of it; I didn’t say he couldn’t exist, however, I have my doubts. I don’t doubt that an atheist can have moral values and ideals, I just think it is unlikely that he would live up to them perfectly, assuming he is human…Oh, you are twisting out of it. People like that do exist and they still can be atheists. What then? Also Jesus did say that there is no path to the Father except through him. No exceptions mentioned.
] were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them. . . . Those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason logos] were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason logos], whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason logos] are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid" (First Apology 46 [A.D. 151]).
From the Catechism:
It’s a joke…maybe not a very good one but it’s been a long dayWhat is the “P” word??? I have no idea. But rest assured, I am an atheist, an abominable heathen.
or had conversations about religion with some one who was
Thank you for not leaving me hanging in there with my ignorance. It is true that I was baptized and raised Protestant (Presbytarian or Calvinist - in European lingo), but that was a long time ago. Indeed I had many long conversations with religious people, some of whom were not just simple protestants but YEC (Young Earth Creationists). I am pleasantly surprised by the general positive attitude of the people around here. Much less assertive then the fire-and-brimstone guys, who are always condemning whoever happens to deviate from their dogma, even if that deviation is just miniscule.The P word is Protestant. They often say things like “not in the bible” or “through Jesus only”
I was guessing that you had either been raised “P”
Like I said…it’s late
Aha! I knew it! Fetch me the branding iron …the one shaped like a “P”
I’m truly sorry.
I’ve had more interesting conversations with toast
You don’t get to have a billion members by acting that way.I am pleasantly surprised by the general positive attitude of the people around here. Much less assertive then the fire-and-brimstone guys, who are always condemning whoever happens to deviate from their dogma, even if that deviation is just miniscule.
Jolly good show!
Better make it an “H”…
No, no… it was very interesting. I learned quite a bit from them, though nothing that I would accept, for sure. But it was quite surprising that people in this age can be so ignorant that they actually believe that the Earth is a mere 6000 years old.I’m truly sorry.
I certainly try not to fall into the trap of stereotyping. Your mentioning of dancing brings be back another good joke:The odd thing is the modern stereotype of Catholics is as conservative, drab, guilt-ridden, reactionaries with stayed services; while, if I understand the Reformation correctly, one of the complaints was that we were too liberal. Dancing, and music and joyously decorated churches complete with bells and smells and even read things other than the Bible
In regards to your comment about Purgatory, Catholicism is based on the two pillars of sacred scripture and sacred tradition. Purgatory is hinted at in scripture, but has been held in trandition from the beginning. So Catholics are not forced to find every Catholic practice explicitly described in the Bible (although most have excellent scriptural pedigrees also, if you look carefully).
You mention you are an atheist and libertarian. Are you a Randian or objective epistemologist? I got a big kick out of Ayn Rand in college, but had to reject her philosophy because atheism was at its very heart.
Best regards,
Mulus