Where are the Bibles before Trent?

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teajay:
Don’t get headaches :whacky: going to libraries and consulting those reputable and scholarly sources…

…Henry Chadwick, Jaroslav Pelikan, Robert Louis Wilken, BORING!!!..

…go for Jack Chicks books. They make history fun 😉

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/excerpts/1252/1252_36.jpg
http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/excerpts/1252/1252_37.jpg
From Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?
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What perverted NT? That’s a new one to me.
 
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NotWorthy:
The Catholic Church is built on a house of cards. We make the following claims:

A) The truth taught by the Church does not change.
B) The Canon of the New Testament has been set since the 4th century.

Given that there are hundreds, if not thousands of Bibles that were written before the Council of Trent that are still in existence today: Someone can bring this whole house of cards down if they just produce a Bible that did not include the deuterocanonical (or apochrypha) books.

So, if we did add those books to the Canon in the Council of Trent, why can’t anyone produce any of these bibles?

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The council of Florence listed the deuterocanonicals as scripture in the 14th century. In the 8th century the council of Trullo listed them as canonical. In the 4th century the councils of Rome Hippo and Carthage said they were canonical. There were no bibles that did not include them.
 
Here is a link to see the Gutenburg Bible online. This was printed in about 1450 close to 30 years before Martin Luther was even born in 1483.

hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/permanent/gutenberg/html/4.html

You can see all the pages of the Bible here it has been scanned into digital format and even purchase a CD with it on it.

And Yes of course it does contain the Deuterocanonical Books, so even though many Bibles were destroyed in the reformation. Catholic Bibles were burned, but there are several preserved old old Bibles, some in better condition than others of course.

skypoint.com/~waltzmn/Versions.html

It looks like the oldest complete Bible is a Vulgate from about the year 700. I believe it is in Florence, Italy.

I will check to see if I can find more info, but there were plenty Bibles before Martin Luther came along, they just were hard to reproduce and very precious.

God Bless
Scylla

P.S.
Just found a picture of it and you can order a complete reproduction of it if you have a fat wallet.
lametaeditore.com/
They also make CD’s which should be considerably less expensive. How cool is that?
 
Peace be with you!

Oh, boy oh, boy…those Jack Chick comics again! You see, I was under the impression that Origen was one of the Fathers that doubted the canonicity of the Deuteros…I guess good 'ole Jack used the wrong Father for his fairy tale! Come on, Jack, if you’re going to make up a story, at least make it up so that the first person who checks up on it wont find out that Origen wasn’t one of the Church Fathers who wanted to include the deuteros…and implying that he wrote the Septuagint? Jack, Jack, Jack…shame on you.
But you know what the best thing about conspiracy theories is? The conspiracy theorist can’t be proved wrong because any explanation or evidence you give is all just part of the conspiracy!

In Christ,
Rand
 
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Jabronie:
What year was that written?
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The Guttenburg Bible was the first printed Bible, it was a print of the Vulgate. The print included the Deuterocanonicals, this dispels the myth that they were “added” to the canon at the Coucil of Trent.
 
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The Guttenburg Bible was the first printed Bible, it was a print of the Vulgate. The print included the Deuterocanonicals, this dispels the myth that they were “added” to the canon at the Coucil of Trent.
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Something that is interesting:

The Orthodox Church has always included the books of the Deuterocanonicals and has never questioned them, therefore they have no seperate word for them, as the Catholic Church does. They are simply a part of the Bible.
 
Sorry I’ve been away during this thread. I’m still trying to figure out exactly what BibleReader meant.

Anyway, how are they able to keep the Codex from falling apart? I understand the climate and the fact that they were sealed preserved the Dead Sea Scrolls, but the Codex mentioned in that article don’t seem to enjoy the same opportunities for preservation.

NotWorthy
 
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