Where Are the Catholics That Actually Practice NFP? (And why are they so hard to find?)

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It’s simply been my experience that almost every one of the couples I know who use NFP have large families. That’s hardly scientific 😉 I don’t know if it’s because most of those people married fairly young and started having families young (went to a traditional Catholic college, so many of the people we know who use NFP happen to have married young), never had a history of birth control pill use (which can possibly adversely affect future fertility), came from large families themselves and so were open to the idea, didn’t feel they had a major reason not to have large families and so only intended their NFP use to be child-spacing at most, were poorly instructed or happen to have very difficult cycles (mine are very difficult to interpret, so I know this can happen), “messed up” on NFP a bunch of times, or if it’s just a huge coincidence. But I would imagine if this is my experience, it’s probably been the experience of others out there in Catholic land. This may not be your experience at all, and so you probably come at this from a different perspective. I always like to hear what others are seeing/experiencing in their circles because it’s fascinating and broadens ALL of our perspectives.
Another perspective is some people choose to have big families, then reach a certain time in their life when they discern a reason to use NFP. Up until that time, they may not have even wanted to use NFP.

This is the case for my parents.
 
Every time my wife talks to a Catholic woman about what we do, they call her crazy. The common response is “Why don’t you get your tubes tied?” or “You’re nuts for not using the pill.” These are Catholic women telling my wife, a non-Catholic, that sterilization and artificial contraception are totally fine. It was hard enough to get my wife on board with NFP, and now “Catholic” women are totally undermining this. If these other women, and their husbands, want to blatently violate Church teaching in their own lives, that’s their business, but STOP ADVISING MY WIFE TO DO THE SAME!! Shame on them.
This sounds like she’s looking around to see what everyone else is doing and behaving the same way to meet the status quo. That’s just not the way church teaching works.

When you got your wife on board with NFP did she actually believe it to be the truth or is she just going along with it? I think that is the question here. If she believes in it then why does it matter what everyone else thinks?

With that said, I can see where lack of support would be difficult with charting help and such. That is why it is nice to have this forum to go to for not only NFP help, but all the other topics as well. Use it, there is a lot of good info on here.
 
I started this thread under the Moral Theology section, but apparently not many people look in there so I’m starting it again here.

I’m Catholic and my wife is not. We have five children and number six is on the way. We have practiced NFP for some time now, but let me tell you, the support we get from other Catholics in this area is virtually non-existent. In fact it’s worse. Every time my wife talks to a Catholic woman about what we do, they call her crazy. The common response is “Why don’t you get your tubes tied?” or “You’re nuts for not using the pill.” These are Catholic women telling my wife, a non-Catholic, that sterilization and artificial contraception are totally fine. It was hard enough to get my wife on board with NFP, and now “Catholic” women are totally undermining this. If these other women, and their husbands, want to blatently violate Church teaching in their own lives, that’s their business, but STOP ADVISING MY WIFE TO DO THE SAME!! Shame on them.

I think the Church gives us very mixed messages on this issue. On the one hand artificial contraception is labeled as mortally sinful, but on the other hand, I never hear a priest or a bishop talk about it and NFP programs seem to mostly come from private organizations outside the Church. If the Church is really serious about the evils of contraception, why is there almost no emphasis on it, how come I never hear about it, and why isn’t an NFP program a mandatory requirement at every parish?
A week ago I might have said something different, but amen, is all I can muster tonight. My husband and I are rediscovering it, I too wish the teachings would come at the local level. I wrote to my parish last week and still no reply, on if they offer classes, or can they point me in the right direction with what dr to see who teaches it. I think that it is hard for some (I was one) to see God’s Divine plan in our sexuality. For a long time, society teaches everyone that we have ‘sexual rights,’ meanwhile sex is a gift…it’s not a right like voting.

So, I agree with you. Please pray that we stay the course like you and your wife. Thank you.
 
Hi Chris, I’m guessing from your name that you are located in WA state. I am as well. We practice NFP and while the information isn’t broadcasted as it should be thru our parish, I have found thru speaking with other families the information I needed. We have seen a few instances with friends speaking to varying priests and being advised to contracept. Not just that but with a friend who was a priest not understanding exactly what some forms of ABC could do (abort). So I understand the frustration. You must be blessed with a loving, trusting wife. When she is able to accept NFP when she doesn’t neccessarily agree. I struggle and I completely understand the reasons why I am doing it!

I’ve found that when I find myself in company of people who are vocal about their opposition to teachings of the church I choose to either hang out with someone else or if I can, inform them of their error. That isn’t easy for me as I am uncomfortable with confrontation.

I’ve found a great place for me to grow in my faith and in deeper conviction of my beliefs has been in my bible study thru my church.

Hopefully you can find the support you need, not just you but your wife as well.
 
This sounds like she’s looking around to see what everyone else is doing and behaving the same way to meet the status quo. That’s just not the way church teaching works.
No, I assure you that you are reading something into it that isn’t there. It usually goes like this–Catholic woman finds out we have five kids with #6 on the way. Catholic woman asks my wife why she hasn’t had her tubes tide or if she is aware of something called birth control. My wife’s reaction to this is why are Catholic women saying these things? It’s really just that simple, and leaves my non-Catholic wife (who doesn’t feel compelled to follow Catholic teaching in the first place) to wonder why we Catholics are such hypocrites.
When you got your wife on board with NFP did she actually believe it to be the truth or is she just going along with it? I think that is the question here. If she believes in it then why does it matter what everyone else thinks?
She pretty much just went along with it. She never really internalized its truthfulness as her church allows ABC. But I also assure you that having so many Catholic women discourage her from NFP doesn’t make things better. Fellow Catholics are sabotaging us. It’s like trying to get somebody to convert to your religion and having your own people discourage them from coming in.
 
I Church’s teaching on these matters, you begin to see how both contraception and abortion are morally wrong. Even though many who contracept would never have an abortion, there is an undeniable connection between the two in our society. Read Pope Paul VI’s Humanae Vitae:

Chris, please, I have read Humane Vitae as many times as you have. I know it well. I still disagree with you about abortion and contraception. Also, to play devil’s advocate, a couple could use condoms, which are not abortifacient (I’m not recommending this), and never commit an abortion nor wish to. I’ll say again, there are MANY protestants and catholics who contracept but are staunchly against the termination of a life that has begun. I’m not giving this my blessing, I’m just saying that to lump all users of ABC with abortionists is harsh and over the top for me. It’s an oversimplification of a complex matter. With SOME couples it might be a stepping stone, but I think the key word is SOME…
 
Chris, please, I have read Humane Vitae as many times as you have. I know it well. I still disagree with you about abortion and contraception. Also, to play devil’s advocate, a couple could use condoms, which are not abortifacient (I’m not recommending this), and never commit an abortion nor wish to. I’ll say again, there are MANY protestants and catholics who contracept but are staunchly against the termination of a life that has begun. I’m not giving this my blessing, I’m just saying that to lump all users of ABC with abortionists is harsh and over the top for me. It’s an oversimplification of a complex matter. With SOME couples it might be a stepping stone, but I think the key word is SOME…
Although I agree that there are many couples out there that would not dream of having an abortion after an “undesired” pregnancy arouses, many of these are actually contracepting and unknowingly having abortions (the pill is the most common non-permanent form of ABC, according to a study I was reading a couple of days ago). There is an undeniable link, whether or not everyone believes abortions are ok or not. The purpose of both are to be able to have sex without the consequences (children). If a couple that did not want children (hence was using ABC) happens to get pregnant they may seek abortion as the solution to the “malfunction”. Like you said, many others won’t, but this does not mean that there is no link between the contraceptive mentality (sex but no kids) and the abortion mentality (sex but no kids). Obviously there is a huge difference between non-abortive ABC measures and abortion, I agree with you there, but the connection is still there. In fact, a good example is the way the pill usually works. It tries to avoid pregnancy by tricking the body into not ovulating etc, but as a back up it thickens the endometrium to avoid implantation if by any chance a life should be formed through conception. In other words its main purpose is to avoid conception, but has a built in abortion mechanism just in case conception does occur. How much clearer can the link be there, if this is the most common form of non-permanent ABC.
 
My wife’s reaction to this is why are Catholic women saying these things? It’s really just that simple, and leaves my non-Catholic wife (who doesn’t feel compelled to follow Catholic teaching in the first place) to wonder why we Catholics are such hypocrites.
That’s the part I was missing.
 
I responded to the same thread started in the Moral Theology forum… so I’ll just copy what I posted there…

I’ve been in the same situation…

There are a few different “mom’s groups” at my parish, and when I was on maternity leave after my 2nd son I decided to go to one group’s meeting…
The table I sat at was discussing birth control and vasectomies as if it was nothing. Talking 'round the table eventually got to me, and I said “Oh we love using Natural Family Planning!” and the table went silent. :eek:

It’s so sad. Not only is it never mentioned or advertised, many of those who actually want to TRY to use it don’t get enough support and end up blaming the faith for NFP in the first place!! :rolleyes:

Makes me want to scream…:mad:
It’s a shame… I wish NFP support groups were stronger (at least at our parish)…
 
I Church’s teaching on these matters, you begin to see how both contraception and abortion are morally wrong. Even though many who contracept would never have an abortion, there is an undeniable connection between the two in our society. Read Pope Paul VI’s Humanae Vitae:
Chris, please, I have read Humane Vitae as many times as you have. I know it well. I still disagree with you about abortion and contraception. Also, to play devil’s advocate, a couple could use condoms, which are not abortifacient (I’m not recommending this), and never commit an abortion nor wish to. I’ll say again, there are MANY protestants and catholics who contracept but are staunchly against the termination of a life that has begun. I’m not giving this my blessing, I’m just saying that to lump all users of ABC with abortionists is harsh and over the top for me. It’s an oversimplification of a complex matter. With SOME couples it might be a stepping stone, but I think the key word is SOME…
I think you’re both right.

gurneyhalleck1, even while contracepting (non-abortifacient) I would have given my life for an unborn baby, so I think you are absolutely correct.

At the same time, it seems acceptance of contraception is almost a necessary first step toward the acceptance of abortion. (I disagree that the connection between the two is a desire for sex without children. I think the connection has much more to do with contraceptive rejection of the natural, healthy way a human body functions, but I don’t want to get too far off topic…) I don’t think you’ll ever find someone who approves of abortion but not contraception, that would go against the natural progression.
 
I just thought of something else.

You don’t know where these women are coming from. I have several friends whose husbands refused NFP and got vasectomies against their wives’ wishes. In turn, do you know what the women do? Turn right around and make complete fun of NFP. I don’t let it get to me but I am sure if a person weren’t sure of NFP s/he might.

So yes, that seems to be our assignment. Not only are we supposed to follow NFP and evangelize about it when we can, we are also supposed to be ridiculed in front of groups of people. It’s being persecuted for your faith. Hopefully we can all stand for what’s right.
 
I think with Parishes promoting NFP, it can be hit or miss. Thankfully, our Parish does promote NFP in our Marriage Preparation program. It’s talked about, recognized, and put forth. Whether couples decide to take things further in their knowledge and practice is up to them, but at least it’s out there.

Our Parish offers “Theology of the Body” classes for any parishioners interested. We tend to pull a large group of couples in their later child-bearing years who may have never heard of TOB.

Christopher West does a great job unpacking these beautiful church teachings. I particularly recommend “Good News about Sex and Marriage” to young couples preparing for the sacrament of Marriage.

Another good resource is One More Soul (omsoul.com) which can list pro-life physicians in your area and teaching couples about NFP.

With NFP, communication is the key between couples. Talking and praying about their fertility. Don’t we all want better communication in our marriages!
 
I just thought of something else.

You don’t know where these women are coming from. I have several friends whose husbands refused NFP and got vasectomies against their wives’ wishes. In turn, do you know what the women do? Turn right around and make complete fun of NFP. I don’t let it get to me but I am sure if a person weren’t sure of NFP s/he might.

So yes, that seems to be our assignment. Not only are we supposed to follow NFP and evangelize about it when we can, we are also supposed to be ridiculed in front of groups of people. It’s being persecuted for your faith. Hopefully we can all stand for what’s right.
I second that. There is a lady at work like that. She wanted very badly to have lots of children and her husband’s salary was certainly no barrier. Yet he secretly got a vas. She is very bitter of talking about children. NFP to her seems like rubbing salt in a wound…
 
A reformed BC pill taker myself, I will say this…I always viewed myself as pro life…would never consider an abortion, and feel it to be immoral, in adhering to the RCC’s teachings. But, in some self discovery lately, I have come to the realization that how could I have been pro life, if I wasn’t open to it in my own marriage? I was open to life for the world…just not my family. Ouch, that revelation stung a bit. The truth usually does.

Just some food for thought.
 
Chris asked:

" If the Church is really serious about the evils of contraception, why is there almost no emphasis on it, how come I never hear about it, and why isn’t an NFP program a mandatory requirement at every parish? "

Answer: Because it is up to the laity to carry the ball !! 🙂

In 1977, while we were engaged, my husband and I learned NFP. We wanted to have the support of other couples that followed Humanae Vitae, so we decided to assist our teaching couple by advertising classes, etc. In this way, we eventually met more couples that had taken the classes. At one point our little ministry had 8 teaching couples and at one point, taught 179 couples NFP in one year! So that NFP would become institutionalized (rather than become known as a fad) our group merged with our diocese. The diocese took over the instruction of new teaching couples and now NFP instruction is available to more engaged and married couples. In 1980 our little group made an effort to reach our diocesan seminarians. Teaching couples continue to speak at our local seminary once a year. Today, we are blessed to have some holy priests that are unafraid to speak the truth. At least one of these priests require engaged couples to take NFP classes prior to marriage.

Over the years, we have had the wonderful support of friends that follow the Church’s teaching concerning being open to life. And after 30 years, not one couple is separated or divorced!!

Chris, perhaps the Lord is asking you and your wife to become more involved in letting others know the benefits of following this teaching of the Church. 👍 Ask the Lord for others to accompany you on this journey.

Prayers,

Theresa
 
I started this thread under the Moral Theology section, but apparently not many people look in there so I’m starting it again here.

I’m Catholic and my wife is not. We have five children and number six is on the way. We have practiced NFP for some time now, but let me tell you, the support we get from other Catholics in this area is virtually non-existent. In fact it’s worse. Every time my wife talks to a Catholic woman about what we do, they call her crazy. The common response is “Why don’t you get your tubes tied?” or “You’re nuts for not using the pill.” These are Catholic women telling my wife, a non-Catholic, that sterilization and artificial contraception are totally fine. It was hard enough to get my wife on board with NFP, and now “Catholic” women are totally undermining this. If these other women, and their husbands, want to blatently violate Church teaching in their own lives, that’s their business, but STOP ADVISING MY WIFE TO DO THE SAME!! Shame on them.

I think the Church gives us very mixed messages on this issue. On the one hand artificial contraception is labeled as mortally sinful, but on the other hand, I never hear a priest or a bishop talk about it and NFP programs seem to mostly come from private organizations outside the Church. If the Church is really serious about the evils of contraception, why is there almost no emphasis on it, how come I never hear about it, and why isn’t an NFP program a mandatory requirement at every parish?
God bless you for following NFP …

I blame a few things …
I agree with you, about priests staying mum on the issue. I’ve never heard it discussed in a homily

I also blame the mis-education of people, especially medical professionals. ( a group that I obviously belong to) I’m looking through the pamphlet that my OB gives out, and it discussed post-partum birth control. Under the methods, it discusses NFP, calling it the ‘Rhythm Method’, and stating that the success rate of preventing pregnancy is 80%, when used correctly. We both know that is totally incorrect.

People in general want a quick fix … pills, IUD, etc. NFP takes time, effort, and selflessness … which a LOT of people aren’t willing to give of themselves.

Women view their period as an inconvenience, rather as a gift, and look for ways to minimize it as much as possible. I’m not throwing a party when I have my period, but I do marvel at my body working, the way God designed.

I’m also a reformed BC pill user, and I’m so glad that I’m no longer on that wagon, both from a moral and health standpoint. I feel better, and feel better about myself.

Those of us who use NFP need to be open about it, as well as educated, to answer questions to those on the fence, don’tcha think? I self- taught DH and myself NFP, and it would have been a lot easier if we had a couple to look to for guidance.
 
Guidance to learn NFP and for support is available around the country. Here are some trusted sources:
  1. To find your local diocesan NFP office/ NFP teachers:
www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/nfp/coordinators.shtml
  1. These organizations provide NFP teachers:
A. www.ccli.org

B. www.fertilitycare.org/teacher.htm
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  (also covers NaProTechnology*, the new science of women's    gynecological and reproductive health care that  follows Humanae Vitae) :thumbsup:
C. www.boma-usa.org

D. To learn NFP over the Internet: www.woomb.org
  • NaProTechnology
Spurred by Humanae Vitae, Dr. Thomas Hilgers has done research for 30 years to learn why women have gyn and reproductive health problems & learned how to heal/treat the problem without the use of “the pill”.

Dr. Thomas Hilgers has helped so many infertile couples conceive their own children naturally by actually treating the health problems that can cause infertility.

This new women’s science is called Natural Procreative Technology (NaProTechnology).

My physician is certified in NaProTechnology, and although her office is 75 minutes away, I took our daughter to her for our daughter’s first gyn exam. This doctor told our daughter about the goodness of fertility and encouraged her to live her life chastely. What a difference from what our daughter’s pediatrician told me that she would tell our daughter!

Spread the word to others about the good news of NFP.

God is good!!! 🙂
 
Just thought I would add my voice on this really quick…

Yeah for everyone who is practicing NFP! And just to lend a little support from the younger crowd. My 21 year best friend and her 22 year old husband practice NFP and my boyfriend and I already decided (well I kinda told him that I was going to and if he didn’t like it to bad) to practice NFP when we get married.

Now I will go back to lurking around CAF 😃
 
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