So, the Mormon religion never taught Polygamy?
So, Mormon’s oppose abortion, in all cases?
No leader of the Mormon religion taught that Adam was God?
You have already agreed that this is true.
God changes his mind on important matters of faith, if you are Mormon.
Does the Mormon faith believe in Continuous Revelation?
Never taught that it was “required for salvation,” neither for Mormons nor for anyone else.
Never taught “not so much.” Professional counselors are allowed to use their professional knowledge to provide counsel and guidance, and a person is allowed their agency without feeling threatened by God about a very heart-rending decision as it would be under any circumstance. I think women who are mature enough to make that decision with maturity and faith in God, will make what I would view as the “right decision”, but I’m not in their shoes, nor in their father’s shoes, nor in the shoes of the one who sinfully and abhorrently and with cruel selfishness placed them in the position of needing to make such a decision in the first place.
Not throughout his leadership role, no. Do you have any idea how many times he spoke of the relationship the children of God have with Heavenly Father, and described Him as God the Father? Compare that with the one or two talks where he is quoted differently.
Yes, indeed. Two out of five.
Yes, indeed. Two out of five.
To me, this is the biggest issue. Matters of faith are supposed to be axiomatic, they are true and never change or the entire edifice collapses.
So Lucifer was a curmudgeony calvinist?
Kimon,
So Mormons practiced Polygamy because they wanted to? If so, why did the practice stop?
So the killing of a child is left up to the mother? At what age does the church teach that it is wrong to kill your child? Has it always been this way?
So no one, other than one prophet, ever thought that Adam was God? And there was never a teaching that Adam was God?
Two out of five for you. You haven’t convinced me.Have a good day. The weather is gorgeous where I live. What a great start to November!
The Mormon understanding of ‘Revelation’ does surprise me.So you are equating
a) mistaking a bat for a bird
to
b) claiming that God told you that the mark of Cain was a black skin and black skin is a curse due to sin, and black people are born black because they sided with Satan in the war in heaven so God made them black so that white people would not interbreed with them and if a white person does interbreed with a black person they are to be put to death on the spot and and so the seed of Cain are black and have no place among white folks and are not worthy to be priests.
Yeah, those two things are about the same…we get that, don’t we guys?
As I read Parker’s attempts of explanation, I’m reminded of these words from Chesterton’s wise little Father Brown:
Joseph Smith was commanded to begin the practice himself, and he asked a select group to do it also. Not one of them “wanted to.” He had been commanded to, and he asked others to do it–but not all the members.
That is a definition that is left up to the laws of the land. Welcome to the imperfect world where laws, including definitions of terms within those laws, are made by human beings. Welcome to the world of voting and legislation and imperfect governments.
There is no age at which that is right, of course. It has always been that way.
I can’t speak for every one who ever lived, of course. I don’t think other Mormons besides BY thought that.
Not a “teaching”, no. A talk is not a “teaching” as I would define the term.
And Catholics don’t believe that we are guilty of Adam’s sin. We inherit the effects of the “original sin”, however we are only guilty of personal sins.
If it wasn’t something he wanted to do, why did he start doing it before the “revelation?”
So first the Lord told Smith to do it, but then told him to stop? Was this because the government told them if they didn’t Utah wouldn’t receive statehood?
So if “gay marriage” becomes the law of the land, the Mormon church will okay it?
Of course there isn’t an age where the murder of your child is okay. In fact the Catholic Church says there is never a good reason to kill your child, even before it is born.
So the Mormon church only allows abortion in the case of rape? Or do they also for the “health” of the mother?
Is there somewhere that you can find the teachings of the Mormon church? And if so, does it also list those teachings that have changed?
Too bad the visitors to my house don’t agree with you. They seem to want to convert me.
Yes. it is the same; Moses was a prophet…and his OPINION, (incorrect opinion) was codified into scripture. Yet we are not now required to believe that bats are birds, are we?So you are equating
a) mistaking a bat for a bird
to
b) claiming that God told you that the mark of Cain was a black skin and black skin is a curse due to sin, and black people are born black because they sided with Satan in the war in heaven so God made them black so that white people would not interbreed with them and if a white person does interbreed with a black person they are to be put to death on the spot and and so the seed of Cain are black and have no place among white folks and are not worthy to be priests.
Yeah, those two things are about the same…we get that, don’t we guys?
Problem with that, y’know. Unlike with every other state in the nation, polygamy isn’t just against the law in Utah. It’s unconstitutional. The Feds required that in order for the petition for statehood to be granted.
Interesting. This from a man who belongs to an organization that, while CLAIMING that everybody is equal, still took nearly 400 years to ordain a black priest in America. Which do you think is more repugnant: an organization who took 150 years to ordain a black priest because it was official doctrine that blacks could not hold the priesthood–but which, as soon as the policy/doctrine was changed, INSTANTLY repaired that so that within thirty years it has blacks in the upper hierarcy of the church, with a very real possibility that the head of that church might be black with in the lifetime of some of us here…
It is when it is canonized into scripture, and when it is made an integral part of doctrinal/theological life rules. C’mon; it’s not just that he called bats birds: it’s that because they were deemed ‘birds,’ they fit into a specific theological slot within the Law.
Well, there you have it. 'nuff said. I hope that anyone on these fora who is considering converting to Mormonism reads this. It is quite a wake-up call. Wow.
TheosisM,
You must have read a source that placed the dates of written record of the “revelation” as the earliest it was known. That need not be the case. Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, but that doesn’t mean he had all the revelation that is recorded in those books. The revelations happened earlier than the record Moses wrote. Same with Joseph Smith.
No–Wilford Woodruff was told to “stop.” Time frame was about 50-60 years later. The question came up while Joseph Smith was reading the Bible and asking questions about whether the words of the Bible had missing words or passages, or had wrong words or passages. He did that process in 1830-1831.
The government said that (it was a given), but also threatened to confiscate all church and personal property.
You must be kidding with this question. Do you not read the newspapers at all? The LDS church has been on the very forefront of opposition to that constitutional question, and anyone who reads the newspapers at all is aware of that. The LDS church encourages members to abide by the law and to support laws that are constitutional, which that “law” is not and would never be. Such an attempt will always be challenged by whatever seems to be the appropriate and most effective means to make the challenge and confront the issue without rabble-rousing.
I asked my wife about any “health” instances she is aware of. She is aware of many, many instances where a mother made a prayerful decision to carry her baby to term despite hearing from a doctor that her health was threatened or that the baby would have complications including potential birth defects. She is not aware of any case where a woman she knows decided that the best course of action for her family was to end her pregnancy on the advice of her physician. They went against physician’s counsel, and prayed a lot and I will tell you that in each case the family has been very grateful for their decision.
Absolutely, yes. Try lds.org or mormon.org and follow any link you would like to follow.
The changes are discussed in magazine articles from time to time. They are not “hidden”. The Adam-god theory was never a “teaching”, so I do not think it has ever been discussed in a magazine article.
I have an idea. You could tell them you are very involved in your church, and many people would be impacted because you would no longer be of as much service to them if you changed religions, nor would they trust you as much. You can also mention that an earlier LDS apostle, Orson F Whitney, said it was not just the LDS who were needful in the world to bring about the conditions leading to the Millenium, and that some would be being used by the Lord within their other religions. (That should impress them.
)Both are wrong but doctrine (delivered by the mouthpiecetm of God) legitimizes bigotry and empowers bigots. 1978 is repugnant.
That’s because you are reading the whole thing, you are leaving out the word effects. If my parents have a huge fortune and squander it on debauchery I “inherit” the effects of their actions, in all it’s aspects, monetarily , spiritually, morally. We “inherit” the world we live in, it is filled with sin, Adam and Eve brought sin into the world so we “inherit” the sin they brought into the world. Sinful people (people who miss the mark) can not begin to raise sinless people ( people who don’t miss the mark ever) thus our inheritance.