Where can I hear a Pauline Mass

[mozartpc27]

…in Latin? I’m new to the forum, obviously, so first let me say hello and thanks to you all. I am in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in the USA, and I just this Sunday for the first time heard a Tridentine Mass. It was interesting, and I appreciated the opportunity, but I’m a relative youngster (31), and grew up in the much more participation-friendly Pauline Mass. I also found the recitation of the Eucharistic prayer in silence by the priest to be a more than a little curious feature of the Tridentine Mass. It kind of defeated my purpose: I wanted to HEAR the Mass in Latin.

So, my best bet is to hear a Pauline Mass in Latin. I know that the whole Liturgy, of the Word and of the Eucharist, is written in Latin and then translated into the various vernaculars (English, in my case). So it is possible to hear the current Mass in Latin. Short of going to the Vatican, can I hear the Pauline Mass in the USA? I caught a little bit of the Pope’s Christmas mass on television, and, as it was in the Basilica, it appeared to be in Latin, but the commentators on the English language broadcast kept talking over it (Grrrr…).

I’ve heard that the Pauline Mass is not ALLOWED to be said in Latin in countries where Latin is not the vernacular (pretty much all of them). Is that true?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[daeve]

Philadelphia is an enormous archdiocese. I’d suggest you call the archdiocesean office and ask them. The website isn’t set up so that finding out there would be easy. It doesn’t give you the option of searching for something that specific.

 

[marchoi]

You mean where can you go to Mass in the Ordinary Form in Latin? It shouldn’t be too difficult to find, in my opinion… Ss. Peter and Paul Cathedral, for example, has it on the 1st and 3rd Sundays from October to June, according to its website. What you’ve heard about it not being allowed etc. etc. is not true - no one can forbid the Mass from being said in Latin.

 

[japhy]

…in Latin? I’m new to the forum, obviously, so first let me say hello and thanks to you all. I am in Philadelphia…

Welcome to the forum. Sarabande (who frequents this liturgy sub-forum) is also from Philly, and she might be able to give you specific advice. I’m from NJ (now living just outside of Trenton), and only slightly younger than you – 28 – but I have not found a local Mass in the Ordinary Form in Latin.

the much more participation-friendly Pauline Mass.

The majority of the participation found in the Ordinary Form of the Mass (the “Pauline Missal”) is found in the Extraordinary Form as well: responses, postures, and gestures. Participation (both interior and exterior) is called for in both forms of the Mass.

I also found the recitation of the Eucharistic prayer in silence by the priest to be a more than a little curious feature of the Tridentine Mass. It kind of defeated my purpose: I wanted to HEAR the Mass in Latin.

Understandable. If your intent is to hear (in the technical sense, not the pious sense) the Mass in Latin, there is a lot in the Extraordinary Form which you will not hear since many of the priest’s prayers are said in a low voice, not meant for the congregation to hear (since he’s not speaking to them). That said, there are several prayers of the priest in the Ordinary Form which are said in a low voice too… although some priests make the whole Mass audible, despite what the Missal instructs.

So it is possible to hear the current Mass in Latin.

Yes, although it’s hard to find a church in the US doing so, but this is probably growing slightly more easy nowadays. I would use masstimes.org and see if they mark any particular Mass as done in Latin. Indeed, that is the case:
Cathedral Basilica of SS Peter and Paul * (215) 561-1313
Saturday: 5:15 PM Vigil (Basilica)

Sunday: 8:00 (Chapel),
9:30,
11:00 (Basilica) [in Latin on 1st & 3rd Sunday, October to June],
12:30 PM (Chapel),
5:00 PM (Basilica)

I’ve heard that the Pauline Mass is not ALLOWED to be said in Latin in countries where Latin is not the vernacular (pretty much all of them).

That’s an utter fabrication.

 

[corsair]

If you ever get out to Portland, Oregon go to the Saturday evening Vigil Mass at St. Stephen’s or the Sunday 11:00 am at Holy Rosary. Both Masses are in Latin with Gregorian chant by Cantores in Ecclesia.

Holy Rosary also does the Dominican Rite Mass once a month and occasional EF Rite Masses.

 

[mozartpc27]

Thanks for the answers everyone! Looks like I will go to the cathedral this coming Sunday at 11!

 

[bpbasilphx]

\I’ve heard that the Pauline Mass is not ALLOWED to be said in Latin in countries where Latin is not the vernacular (pretty much all of them). Is that true?\

Not really. The Typical Edition of liturgical books of the Ordinary Form are first promulgated in Latin, and any priest of the Latin Rite (either form) may use them.

 

[ImpyTerwilliger]

…in Latin? I’m new to the forum, obviously, so first let me say hello and thanks to you all. I am in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

I live in Philadelphia, too.

One of the most beautiful churches in Philadelphia is Our Lady of Lourdes Church, in the Overbrook section of West Philadelphia. It is at the intersection of Lancaster and 63rd. Our Lady of Lourdes is under the care of the Mercedarian Friars. This is a wonderful, orthodox group of men.

The Novus Ordo in Latin is celebrated in Latin and ad orientem (the priest faces the altar with the people). It is very beautiful and reverent. This Mass is celebrated at 10:30 a.m. on Sunday. The parish website is here: ourladylourdes.org.

I would encourage you to attend the traditional Latin Mass a few more times before you form any definite opinions about it. Our Lady of Lourdes offers a low Mass at 7:30 a.m. There is a high Mass at St. Paul’s in South Philly at noon.

Information about locations of the traditional Latin Mass in Philadelphia can be found here: roamincatholicphiladelphia.blogspot.com.

My own blog is here: lavarepedes.blogspot.com. I posted today about my parish, St. Paul’s.

I found the traditional Latin Mass strange when I first attended in 2007. After a few times, however, I realized that it was affecting me and changing me in ways that I had not experienced before. Now I attend every week. You will be able to read the Latin for yourself if you purchase a missal. You can find a good one here: baroniuspress.com/book.php?wid=56&bid=4.

 

[Monica37]

Here in Germany I go to St Valentine’s in Kiedrich. They have a beautiful OF in Latin. The Latin is the only way I am able to attend.

 

[ProVobis]

In Chicago…

St. John Cantius, 11am on Sundays. Very well attended, I might add.

 

[AJV]

This isn’t very specific at all, but if there is an Opus Dei center near you, the OD priests often say the Masses in their chapels in Latin. However, you will have to see if you can attend - not all the Masses are open to the public. Also, I’m not fully sure about whether it was a Pauline Mass (I think so) but a friend of mine from Philadephia attends Our Lady of Lourdes (its a Mercedarian parish) when she visits family, and they have Masses in Latin.

 

[mozartpc27]

So, 4 years later, and I am back to ask the same question. I got out of the habit of going to the Pauline Mass in Latin in the Cathedral, and now it looks as though it is no longer offered.

I am wondering if the Our Lady of Lourdes Church still does a PAULINE mass in Latin, as ImpyTerwilliger seemed to imply 4 years ago. I’d contact that poster directly, but s/he has 2 posts like me, so I suspect s/he may no longer be around.

I’d really like to find a Pauline Mass in Latin in the city; the Tridentine Mass does not allow me to literally hear it in Latin, or as much of it as I would like anyway.