Where did Luther talk about a dung hill?

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Hi James, if you are still reading this thread…

Do you have an idea where this often quoted “quote” came from. Both Catholics and Protestants commonly attribute it to Luther, so would you have an idea where this quote came from, who was one of the first to attribute it to Luther?

In Christ
Scylla
 
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I STILL can’t find a properly cited reference. One gold star of James Swan.

Whether it descends from Luther or Calvin or somebody later, I can tell you FIRST hand that major evangelical protestant groups teach this today. Watch and listen to how many times such christian singers and authors use the word “cover” in describing what happens to our sins.

If not straight from Luther, I want to know where this got started! It sure ain’t scriptural.
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I’ve talked to some Lutherans who say the quote doesn’t exist. Because that whole concept reflects their theology, I doubt they’d be trying to hide it… so I think it is more like a paraphrase of Luther, but not a specific statement that he ever wrote. Unless of course it is in some untranslated work, but we can’t argue from absence in that case.
 
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Hi James, if you are still reading this thread…
Do you have an idea where this often quoted “quote” came from. Both Catholics and Protestants commonly attribute it to Luther, so would you have an idea where this quote came from, who was one of the first to attribute it to Luther?In Christ
Scylla
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Hi Scylla,

I have a small but growing collection of books about Luther from the 19th Century- early 20th Century Catholic and Protestant authors.In these dozen or so books, I have not found the “quote”- which leads me to believe it is not from Luther.

Particularly from the books written by Roman Catholics, I find it hard to believe they would not cite this quote. For instance, Hartmann Grisar’s multi-volumes on Luther contain myriads of well-documented outrageous Luther quotes, yet he doesn’t cite this one. I have a work by the Catholic author Henry O’Connor from the 1800’s called Luther’s Own Statements Concerning His Teaching and its Results. The book is an old small anthology of Luther quotes, peppered with vilifying commentary from O’Connor. He doesn’t cite it.Not even Patrick O’Hare in his Facts about Luther mentions it.

My gut feeling is it was someone’s explanation of Luther, post 1950.

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James Swan
 
I think luther was talking about his new religion that he had invented. he said" look at what i have created… come wallow in the dung hill i have made for all that are too scared to follow the true teachings of Christ."
 
Thanks, it does sound like someones description of what Martin Luther believed.

I only own one book on Luther, I do not read much about him as I do not have many large Lutheran or Reformed type faith communities around me.
I do have growing Evangelical type non-denominational Churches which are all the rage here in California, surrounding me. They usually are not concerned about Calvin, Luther, history or anything too deep. I do try to spend as much time with them and just keep working on my Bible studies, as that is their main focus.

Not only do I enjoy Bible studies, it will help me get closer to my brother who is involved with one of these churches.

In Christ,
Scylla
 
Luther actually referred to the teaching of the soul being immortal as part of a dung hill
Then, on October 31, 1517, Luther posted his famous Theses on the church door in Wittenberg. In his 1520 published Defence of 41 of his propositions, Luther cited the pope’s immortality declaration, as among “those monstrous opinions to be found in the Roman dunghill of decretals” (proposition 27). In the twenty-seventh proposition of his Defence Luther said:

However, I permit the Pope to establish articles of faith for himself and for his own faithful—such are: That the bread and wine are transubstantiated in the sacrament; that the essence of God neither generates nor is generated; that the soul is the substantial form of the human body that he [the pope] is emperor of the world and king of heaven, and earthly god; that the soul is immortal; and all these endless monstrosities in the Roman dunghill of decretals—in order that such as his faith is, such may be his gospel, such also his faithful, and such his church, and that the lips may have suitable lettuce and the lid may be worthy of the dish.—Martin Luther, Assertio Omnium Articulorum M. Lutheri per Bullam Leonis X. Novissimam Damnatorum (Assertion of all the articles of M. Luther condemned by the latest Bull of Leo X), article 27, Weimar edition of Luther’s Works, vol. 7, pp. 131, 132 (a point-by-point exposition of his position, written Dec. 1, 1520, in response to requests for a fuller treatment than that given in his Adversus execrabilem Antichristi Bullam, and Wider die Bulle des Endchrists).
 
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