Where did Satan come from?

[Bahman]

I have been doing some research on the origins of Satan, but I am having a hard time trying to find any information on this. I remember this story that my parents use to tell me: they said that Satan was a fallen angel who fell out of grace with God. The thing is where does it say it in the Bible, and did this happen before or after the creation of Adam and Eve?

The story of Satan, then Adam and Eve are full of logical fallacies so consider them as stories that they have never happened.

First story of Satan: He was a the highest angle and suddenly decide to rebel against God. Considering that God is good and only create good beings how a good being could come with evil idea of rebelling against God. Since his fall he turned to evil, meaning changing his nature from good to evil. This process is quite unnatural since a being with good nature cannot suddenly change his nature and turn to evil. You have to either accept that angels were created with good and evil attributes which is against God goodness or forget about the whole story.

Second story of Adam and Eve: They were created as couples living in the Garden. There was a three, so call three of knowledge with specific fruit that eating them lead to death. They were again created with good nature and all they were asked to do to enjoy the garden. Satan the former Lucifer had access to Garden with his nasty plan, considering the fact that God knows his creatures minds/plans. So Satan decides to seduce them to eat the fruit. First eating fruit was an evil act since God clearly command not to eat it. This is already a problem here since the couple were created good so they couldn’t have any sense of what evil act is. Anyway, Satan managed to seduce Eve to eat fruit which is again problematic since she had good nature act seducing to perform an evil act is completely meaningless. They were rejected from garden with God’s curse. The another question here is how good God could curse his creature. The rest of story no one knows…

 

[runningdude]

But God is omniscience, omnibenevolence, omnipotent, etc. Why didn’t he foresee this happening, why did he give the angels the choice in the first place. If God was the creator of everything good then why do they have the mindset to even rebel?

The same reason he gave humans the choice to be good or even. Angels are people too!

 

[Bahman]

But God is omniscience, omnibenevolence, omnipotent, etc. Why didn’t he foresee this happening, why did he give the angels the choice in the first place. If God was the creator of everything good then why do they have the mindset to even rebel?

The concept of rebelling against God is total nonsense so don’t bother your mind with it. How a creature with finite power could rebel against a being/God with absolute power?

 

[bzkoss236]

But I thought God was always with us, so he then has to be apart of his creation right? To me it sounds like if he is outside of space and time then he cannot interact with his creation. Then what is “hell?” Is it what the Jewish believe in or is it what the Christians and Muslims believe in?

Also I’m not really familiar with love so I’m not going to depute your point and thank you for the verses. I appreciate it.

God is always present, in one sense, that he is omnipresent.
When I say God is outside of time I mean he is not limited by it because it is his creation. And God isn’t a part of his creation because that is illogical, it is more correct to say that Dohsna creation is within him. Like how a baby in the whom is a creation of the mother and father, residing in the mother. The mother is outside of her baby, and, in a way, separate from her baby, but the baby is bound by the mother.

 

[mikekle]

That doesn’t mean God won’t create,
“creating” is part of his nature (yes God has a nature). .

Not to change the subject, but Ive often looked at this fact about God and thought about what else he has created since mankind was created, for, if this was Gods nature, he would simply not stop when created us, he probably has been creating left and right since then.

It does make one wonder what he has been creating since us, and wonder if they have the same laws as us, do they worship him. etc.

Although it is interesting, Im pretty sure we are just not meant to know about this.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

The concept of rebelling against God is total nonsense so don’t bother your mind with it. How a creature with finite power could rebel against a being/God with absolute power?

You’re demonstrating it pretty well. Absolute power includes the power not to exercise it.

 

[PrayerShark]

To try and answer the OP’s question…. From the theological texts I’ve read, I have the following butchered understanding, but I’ll do my best to give a summary:

Lucifer was first of the angels created. He was the highest in their order and the most powerful - he has power over creation and this is second only to God. Lucifer, like all of the heavenly host has the complete a knowledge of creation and the workings of the physical universe (its intelligence is close to omniscient), lacking a physical form it can appear likely appear at any place in the universe without much trouble (its presence is almost omnipresent), it also has control over nature, the moving of celestial bodies, etc. (its power is almost omnipotent). Now as powerful as that may be, it is important to remember that God’s power is infinite and Lucifer’s finite such that it will always be insignificant to God’s in comparison. Satan was leader of the heavenly host, the prince of dawn, the most brilliant, shining light. With all this power, temptation towards self-love, self-aggrandisement, etc. was always a danger. I think it is erroneous that Lucifer set out to wage against God, as he like all the angels loved God and given that he has a complete understanding of all creation then he would know that fighting God would be fruitless - he would lose before he began. A lot of scholars therefore believe that his sin was attempting to imitate God or setting himself up as a god below God himself. That is if he was the most powerful being in the universe below God, then why shouldn’t the rest of creation also worship him. It is pride, that most deadly of sins and first sin.

I guess the problem therefore becomes why would God create a being capable of evil - remembering Lucifer was not created evil, that would be contrary to God who is infinitely good. God cannot create something that is an absence of himself. But God gave the Lucifer and the angels free-will (like us) such that evil was always a possibility. However, without free-will then the angels and mankind would just be automatons - there would be no individuality, goodness would be forced. Lucifer always had a choice to forego his ambitions but I suppose must have felt entitled or deserving something more. I believe the Islamic texts ascribe the fall of the Lucifer (or his counterpart a wind spirit called Iblis) as his refusal to bow to mankind - that is humble himself to us (in his eyes) and inferior being. There may also be something in this although it isn’t mentioned in the biblical texts. Anyway, Lucifer and those that sided with him were cast out of heaven into the abyss away from God’s light, love and grace. There is no redemption from this, as with their near omniscient understanding they couldn’t not claim fault in ignorance. They exist in a cycle of hate, loathing and despair that only increases with every soul that joins them in their dark company. Satan hates mankind with all his being, hates himself in equal proportion for his mistake and despairs at his infinite rejection by God who he must still love.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Dendron]

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8.44)

Satan is the god of those who live on earth.

 

[bzkoss236]

Satan is the god of those who live on earth.

Satan is not a god, but a mere creature.

 

[Dendron]

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before [enopion = against] the God of the earth. (Revelation 11.4)

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. (Matthew 4.8-11)

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Corinthians 4.4)

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Satan is not a god, but a mere creature.

Satan is a god in a different context**.**
Paul calls (or alludes that) Satan is “the god of this Earth/World/Age” in 2nd Corinthians
Chapter Four. Now what did he mean by that? Did Paul confess the Devil a Divine Being?
Absolutely Not!
“God” has different usages, such as the Israelite Kings, Judges, even Prophets (I believe)
being called “gods,” but that’s not in the same sense that God is GOD. Context is every-
thing, especially when reading ancient writings.

 

[Dendron]

He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. (Job 40.19)

Satan is the very shadow, contradiction of the Spirit. The Spirit is eternal, Satan is a creature. Spirit = truth. Satan = falsehood. Satan dies because he blasphemes against truth, the Spirit. Truth lives.

Who shall kill Satan? God. How? With His sword. Who is His sword? Jesus.

Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride. (Job 41.33, 34)

Satan is the god of those who live on earth, of those who end in the six days, of those who do not end in the seventh.
Are you an inhabitant of the earth?