Where did the Book of Mormon take place?

[Catholic20064]

Some Mormons say the Great Lakes area. Some Mormons limit it to Central America. Why can’t the Mormons tell us where the Book of Mormon peoples lived? Where do you as a Mormon think they lived?

 

[juliamajor]

In Fantasyland-next to Pioneerland-I think!

 

[spn82756]

Some Mormons say the Great Lakes area. Some Mormons limit it to Central America. Why can’t the Mormons tell us where the Book of Mormon peoples lived? Where do you as a Mormon think they lived?

It’s man made. It came from a false prophet.

 

[bpbasilphx]

In the mind of Spaulding, whose novel deceased Living Prophet Joseph Smith plagarized his Book for Morons.

 

[ParkerD]

Some Mormons say the Great Lakes area. Some Mormons limit it to Central America. Why can’t the Mormons tell us where the Book of Mormon peoples lived? Where do you as a Mormon think they lived?

Hi, Catholic20064,
Notwithstanding you have received a few replies that demonstrate that some readers of the Bible (if they really have read it) do not believe that God could actually mean what He had prophets say about the scattering of Israel being to all nations, I believe that God did mean what He said and had a purpose in that scattering of Israel, to ultimately bless all nations.

In answer to your first question, can you p(name removed by moderator)oint precisely where your ancestors lived from 600 BC - 400 AD, and do you have records or archeological evidence that demonstrate conclusively to you that the precise location you know is the correct one?

In answer to your second question, I surmise that some may have lived in areas of Guatemala and Mexico, and that a significant group migrated north and there is evidence of groups who lived in the Ohio river valley and in the Great Lakes region. But these groups only numbered in the thousands, not the millions, and as their numbers were decimated by conquering peoples their artifacts were also significantly pillaged, although there is evidence of a group of “mound people” who had a fairly advanced civilization in the Ohio river valley area.

I hope you and your family are well. Have a good year.

 

[spn82756]

Hi, Catholic20064,
Notwithstanding you have received a few replies that demonstrate that some readers of the Bible (if they really have read it) do not believe that God could actually mean what He had prophets say about the scattering of Israel being to all nations, I believe that God did mean what He said and had a purpose in that scattering of Israel, to ultimately bless all nations.

In answer to your first question, can you p(name removed by moderator)oint precisely where your ancestors lived from 600 BC - 400 AD, and do you have records or archeological evidence that demonstrate conclusively to you that the precise location you know is the correct one?

In answer to your second question, I surmise that some may have lived in areas of Guatemala and Mexico, and that a significant group migrated north and there is evidence of groups who lived in the Ohio river valley and in the Great Lakes region. But these groups only numbered in the thousands, not the millions, and as their numbers were decimated by conquering peoples their artifacts were also significantly pillaged, although there is evidence of a group of “mound people” who had a fairly advanced civilization in the Ohio river valley area.

I hope you and your family are well. Have a good year.

The difference is that in Christianity…Jesus is The Son of God. Not anything less. An equal with the Father. As He said…The Father and I are ONE.

Do Mormons believe that?

No secondary God…Jesus is God.

 

[Catholic20064]

Hi, Catholic20064,
Notwithstanding you have received a few replies that demonstrate that some readers of the Bible (if they really have read it) do not believe that God could actually mean what He had prophets say about the scattering of Israel being to all nations, I believe that God did mean what He said and had a purpose in that scattering of Israel, to ultimately bless all nations.

In answer to your first question, can you p(name removed by moderator)oint precisely where your ancestors lived from 600 BC - 400 AD, and do you have records or archeological evidence that demonstrate conclusively to you that the precise location you know is the correct one?

This is a strawman. I never claimed to know where my ancestors were. Mormons make great claims about the Book of Mormon. I would think this would be a relatively easy question to answer if the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be.

In answer to your second question, I surmise that some may have lived in areas of Guatemala and Mexico, and that a significant group migrated north and there is evidence of groups who lived in the Ohio river valley and in the Great Lakes region. But these groups only numbered in the thousands, not the millions, and as their numbers were decimated by conquering peoples their artifacts were also significantly pillaged, although there is evidence of a group of “mound people” who had a fairly advanced civilization in the Ohio river valley area.

I hope you and your family are well. Have a good year.

The battles in the Book of Mormon indicate there were more than several thousand. Mormon chapter 6 states there were at least 230,000 that died in the final battle alone. This was after a number of battles had already been fought and does not include the supposed numbers of the Lamanites – in order to kill that many people there must have been a large number of them as well. So where were these battles fought?

 

[twopekinguys]

Hi, Catholic20064,
Notwithstanding you have received a few replies that demonstrate that some readers of the Bible (if they really have read it) do not believe that God could actually mean what He had prophets say about the scattering of Israel being to all nations, I believe that God did mean what He said and had a purpose in that scattering of Israel, to ultimately bless all nations.

In answer to your first question, can you p(name removed by moderator)oint precisely where your ancestors lived from 600 BC - 400 AD, and do you have records or archeological evidence that demonstrate conclusively to you that the precise location you know is the correct one?

In answer to your second question, I surmise that some may have lived in areas of Guatemala and Mexico, and that a significant group migrated north and there is evidence of groups who lived in the Ohio river valley and in the Great Lakes region. But these groups only numbered in the thousands, not the millions, and as their numbers were decimated by conquering peoples their artifacts were also significantly pillaged, although there is evidence of a group of “mound people” who had a fairly advanced civilization in the Ohio river valley area.

I hope you and your family are well. Have a good year.

Do you mean these in the Ohio Valley region?

library.thinkquest.org/CR0212160/

Sorry, but none of the information there seems to line up with the BoM.

 

[ParkerD]

Do you mean these in the Ohio Valley region?

library.thinkquest.org/CR0212160/

Sorry, but none of the information there seems to line up with the BoM.

Twopekinguys,
Thanks for posting the link. The Woodland period group would be roughly the match, and you will note that 90% of the artifacts that were around in the 1800’s have been taken or destroyed. I actually have heard that some Smithsonian people of the early days of the United States deliberately had some of the artifacts and the mounds in the Ohio river valley destroyed. One wonders why in the world they would have done that.

 

[ParkerD]

The difference is that in Christianity…Jesus is The Son of God. Not anything less. An equal with the Father. As He said…The Father and I are ONE.

Do Mormons believe that?

No secondary God…Jesus is God.

Agreed that Jesus is God and that when He said “the Father and I are One” that He meant it.

 

[spn82756]

Well ParkerD…will you answer the question to my post (#6)? It’s not just about believing Jesus could have been elsewhere…it’s the theology that discounts the Book of Mormon.

 

[spn82756]

Agreed that Jesus is God and that when He said “the Father and I are One” that He meant it.

From wikipedia.

Comparisons within Christianity

In addition to a belief in the Bible,[44] the divinity of Jesus, and his atonement and resurrection, other LDS teachings are shared with other branches of Christianity. For example, LDS theology includes belief in the doctrine of salvation through Jesus alone,[9] his virgin birth, restorationism (via a Restoration of Christ’s church given through Joseph Smith, Jr.), rejection of original sin,[45] millennialism, continuationism, penal substitution,[46] and a form of Apostolic succession. The practices of baptism by immersion and the Eucharist (referred to as the Sacrament) are also held in common.
Nevertheless, the LDS Church differs from the many other churches within Christianity, and some Christians do not believe that the LDS Church is part of Christianity.[47] The faith itself views other modern Christian faiths as having departed from true Christianity[48] and that it is a restoration of 1st century Christianity and the only true and authorized Christian church.[49] Differences between the LDS Church and most of traditional Christianity include disagreement with aspects of the Nicene Creed, belief in a unique theory of human salvation that includes three heavens (referred to as “degrees of glory”),[50] a doctrine of "exaltation" which includes the ability of humans to become gods and goddesses in the afterlife,[51] a dietary code called the Word of Wisdom, and unique sacramental ceremonies performed privately in LDS temples, such as the Endowment and sealing ceremonies.
Officially, major Christian denominations view the LDS Church as standing apart from creedal Christianity,[52] a point the LDS Church itself does not dispute.[53] From the perspective of Christians who hold to creeds, the most significant area of departure is the rejection by the LDS Church of certain ecumenical creeds such as the Nicene Creed, which defines the predominant view of the Christian God as a Trinity of three separate persons with “one substance”. LDS Church theology includes the belief in a “Godhead” composed of God the Father, his son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost as three separate persons who share unity of purpose or will; however, they are viewed as three distinct beings making one Godhead. This has led to some doctrinal comparisons with Arianism and Semi-Arianism.citation needed] Other significant differences relate to the church’s acceptance of additional scripture, doctrine, and practices beyond what is found in the Catholic or Protestant versions of the Bible.

 

[twopekinguys]

Twopekinguys,
Thanks for posting the link. The Woodland period group would be roughly the match, and you will note that 90% of the artifacts that were around in the 1800’s have been taken or destroyed. I actually have heard that some Smithsonian people of the early days of the United States deliberately had some of the artifacts and the mounds in the Ohio river valley destroyed. One wonders why in the world they would have done that.

Where are you getting your 90% figure? Am I missing it on the site somewhere?

I did notice that the artifacts shown on the site don’t resemble things mentioned in the BoM.

I don’t really think these “mound people” would be a good comparision for the people mentioned in the BoM.

Considering that the BoM speaks of a larger number of people, Cahokia Mounds in Southern Illinois would be a better comparison, but again, even there, there is nothing to connect it with the BoM.

You know how I feel about your statements “I actually have heard”. We went through that on another thread, remember?

 

[RebeccaJ]

Just more evidence that Mormonism is based on conspiracy theories.

 

[ParkerD]

Where are you getting your 90% figure? Am I missing it on the site somewhere?

I did notice that the artifacts shown on the site don’t resemble things mentioned in the BoM.

I don’t really think these “mound people” would be a good comparision for the people mentioned in the BoM.

Considering that the BoM speaks of a larger number of people, Cahokia Mounds in Southern Illinois would be a better comparison, but again, even there, there is nothing to connect it with the BoM.

You know how I feel about your statements “I actually have heard”. We went through that on another thread, remember?

Hi, Twopekinguys,
The link you had posted has a link to a section about archeology and further down the page discusses the 90% loss because of destruction of the architecture compared with what was found and written about, evidently during the 1800’s.

 

[ParkerD]

Well ParkerD…will you answer the question to my post (#6)? It’s not just about believing Jesus could have been elsewhere…it’s the theology that discounts the Book of Mormon.

spn,
I had answered that Mormons believe Jesus was being truthful when He said “the Father and I are One.” The Son is like His Father, and both are omnipotent and omniscient and love with perfect unconditional love.

I certainly understand that you would have that opinion about the Book of Mormon. The theology of the Bible is totally compatible and supports the theology of the Book of Mormon, and vice versa–but you would need to use the older DR translation of the Bible that Catholics use, although I enjoy the language of the King James translation better.

 

[imkingdad]

This is a strawman. I never claimed to know where my ancestors were. Mormons make great claims about the Book of Mormon. I would think this would be a relatively easy question to answer if the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be.

The battles in the Book of Mormon indicate there were more than several thousand. Mormon chapter 6 states there were at least 230,000 that died in the final battle alone. This was after a number of battles had already been fought and does not include the supposed numbers of the Lamanites – in order to kill that many people there must have been a large number of them as well. So where were these battles fought?

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These Battles were fought in the Imagination of John Smith in Palmyra, NY as he sought to create his own Religion… Not a single Fragment of any Neph or laman or their tribes or their Horses, which didn’t even exist on the Northern or southern Hemispheres at the time of this Make-Believe battle. NO Mormon at any time has ever produced a single piece of evidence of these Great Battles.

Nowadays they even allow that John was often wrong & that subsequent “Prophets” have been able to correct the earlier Mistakes of the 1st & other previous “Prophets” however no mormon will use the actual Biblical Text from Duet.
that tells how to recognize a True Prophet of God & apply it to any of their Many Prophets.

Mormonism is pure hooey!

 

[zaffiroborant]

Twopekinguys,
Thanks for posting the link. The Woodland period group would be roughly the match, and you will note that 90% of the artifacts that were around in the 1800’s have been taken or destroyed. I actually have heard that some Smithsonian people of the early days of the United States deliberately had some of the artifacts and the mounds in the Ohio river valley destroyed. One wonders why in the world they would have done that.

Please provide your source for the deliberate destruction of artifacts by “Smithsonian people”.

 

[twopekinguys]

Hi, Twopekinguys,
The link you had posted has a link to a section about archeology and further down the page discusses the 90% loss because of destruction of the architecture compared with what was found and written about, evidently during the 1800’s.

If you will compare your posts, you will see a conflict.

In one you state “artifacts”, and the other you state “architecture”. There is a distinct difference between the two.

Especially when it relates to your comment

I actually have heard that some Smithsonian people of the early days of the United States deliberately had some of the artifacts and the mounds in the Ohio river valley destroyed.

BTW, do you have a reference for that statement?

 

[Jerusha]

The best match for geography is Maritime Canada, around L’anse aux Meadows. There are multiple histories that Spalding used, including Geoffrey of Monmouth’s History of the Kings of England, Norse histories, Clavigero’s History of Mexico, and Maccabees. The geography is Maritime Canada, and generalizes as far as Cahokia. The stories and technology generally match 1200-1520 Mexico. So, the timeline is 985AD to 1520 AD. :hammering:drilling humongous holes into an unholy book.

And I agree with Parker that there was intentional destruction of archaeological evidence.