Where did this prayer go?

[MSParrott]

I started going back to Mass last week and noticed the Gloria prayer (Glory to God in the highest, and peace to His people on earth, Lord God, Heavenly King, Almighty God and Father…) wasn’t being said. I thought last week that maybe I was just so excited to be back home that I didn’t pay attention, but last night at Mass, it wasn’t said again?

This is the same parish I went through RCIA in, and was married in, and it was there before and I just always loved the way it was sung and it has a special meaning to me. I’m wondering if something happened and now it’s not said? (Maybe the Liturgical calender? Although this is the 26th week in ordinary time) Sorry for rambling, I’m just confused! (although I’m sure it isn’t being omitted on purpose.)

Any answers are greatly appreciated!

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I started going back to Mass last week and noticed the Gloria prayer (Glory to God in the highest, and peace to His people on earth, Lord God, Heavenly King, Almighty God and Father…) wasn’t being said. I thought last week that maybe I was just so excited to be back home that I didn’t pay attention, but last night at Mass, it wasn’t said again?

This is the same parish I went through RCIA in, and was married in, and it was there before and I just always loved the way it was sung and it has a special meaning to me. I’m wondering if something happened and now it’s not said? (Maybe the Liturgical calender? Although this is the 26th week in ordinary time) Sorry for rambling, I’m just confused! (although I’m sure it isn’t being omitted on purpose.)

Any answers are greatly appreciated!

It didn’t go anywhere and should be sung or recited.

 

[MSParrott]

Thank you Br. Rich SFO. I appreciate you getting back to me!

Now my next question… should I ask the Priest or someone who works at the rectory why it’s not being said? I don’t want to cause a problem.

 

[1ke]

Yes, ask.

The Gloria is omitted only in Advent and Lent. We are not in those seasons.

 

[MSParrott]

Thank you 1ke - I will definitely find out. I will pray that they include it because I think of this parish as my home parish - since I spiritually grew up there. I hate the thought of having to find another parish because of this.

 

[agapewolf]

The gloria is also not said during normal daily Masses.

 

[gwenred]

I have asked priests why they would omit the Gloria, and been told “it’s not part of my theology.” Sad, but true! I would be interested to know what your priest says when you ask, MS.

 

[Rabbititus]

I have asked priests why they would omit the Gloria, and been told “it’s not part of my theology.” Sad, but true! I would be interested to know what your priest says when you ask, MS.

The Gloria is so general in terms of Christian theology that I wonder what is in it that contradicts his own personal theology.

I mean, even liberal protestants will include it in their services…

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Thank you Br. Rich SFO. I appreciate you getting back to me!

Now my next question… should I ask the Priest or someone who works at the rectory why it’s not being said? I don’t want to cause a problem.

With the exception noted for Advent and Lent and daily Mass. I believe that every member of the faithful has the right to participate in properly celebrated liturgy. The question should be asked, yes. Many times you will receive an answer like if the Gloria can’t be sung it should not be recited. Which is incorrect.

 

[gwenred]

And I believe the self-appointed “liturgists” object because it “extends” the introductory rite beyond what they believe it should be . . . and of course, many of them are sure they are right and Rome just needs to get with the program

I like the way you put it, Bro. Rich:

“every member of the faithful has the right to participate in properly celebrated liturgy”

And thank you, Rabbititus, for expressing what I have often wondered – what the heck do these people find offensive about it??? It’s a beautiful prayer, and there are beautiful arrangments for singing it that are not that difficult - especially the Chant Mass version. But even if we were to buy that some parishes lack the musical leadership to sing it, why would you omit that beautiful prayer of praise?

Can you tell - this is one of my pet peeves, too!

 

[MSParrott]

Thanks everyone for your responses.
I love the way our parish always sung it and even when I was not going to church like I should I would find myself singing it in my head - I’ve just always loved it. I am going to ask, but like I said I don’t want to seem like I’m trying to cause a problem, I just miss it.

 

[baltobetsy]

Thanks everyone for your responses.
I love the way our parish always sung it and even when I was not going to church like I should I would find myself singing it in my head - I’ve just always loved it. I am going to ask, but like I said I don’t want to seem like I’m trying to cause a problem, I just miss it.

When you ask, try to phrase your question in a positive way, as you have with your posts here. Emphasize how much you personally love this prayer and miss saying it, rather than pointing out that rules are being broken. The whole catching more flies with honey than vinegar thing - but I think you already know that.

Betsy

 

[Joannm]

When you ask, try to phrase your question in a positive way, as you have with your posts here. Emphasize how much you personally love this prayer and miss saying it, rather than pointing out that rules are being broken. The whole catching more flies with honey than vinegar thing - but I think you already know that.

Betsy

It could be that the priest simply forgot it if it wasn’t being sung. You should take into consideration simple human error. The priest could have been distracted or not feeling well. I have been to masses at times where priests left out parts and later I would find out that they were not feeling well or had something like a serious illness in their family that they were dealing with. If it is a normal occurance I would be concerned but hopefully it was a one time thing.

 

[LilyM]

It could be that the priest simply forgot it if it wasn’t being sung. You should take into consideration simple human error. The priest could have been distracted or not feeling well. I have been to masses at times where priests left out parts and later I would find out that they were not feeling well or had something like a serious illness in their family that they were dealing with. If it is a normal occurance I would be concerned but hopefully it was a one time thing.

True.

Gwenred, I’d ask your priest exactly what it is about his theology that tells him that we shouldn’t give glory to God as the angels did (which is the first part of the Gloria)?

Which part of his theology tells him we shouldn’t acknowledge Christ as the only son of the Father, as God and and Lamb of God. (as St Elizabeth and St John the Baptist did and as we do in the Creed, or does he omit that too)???

I have a sneaking suspicion it may simply be the term ‘Father’ he objects to. Remind him that Our Lord Himself used the word ‘Father’ and He would know what God the Father wants to be called if anyone does!

 

[gwenred]

True.

Gwenred, I’d ask your priest exactly what it is about his theology that tells him that we shouldn’t give glory to God as the angels did (which is the first part of the Gloria)?

Which part of his theology tells him we shouldn’t acknowledge Christ as the only son of the Father, as God and and Lamb of God. (as St Elizabeth and St John the Baptist did and as we do in the Creed, or does he omit that too)???

I have a sneaking suspicion it may simply be the term ‘Father’ he objects to. Remind him that Our Lord Himself used the word ‘Father’ and He would know what God the Father wants to be called if anyone does!

Oh, trust me - I would have talked to him about it more if he had been my regular priest. This was a visiting priest who was known anyway for being controversial - and his reputation has not improved! And the liturgist thing was pushed on me every time I went to any kind of liturgical sessions for liturgical ministers (usually music) Too often, these"liturgists" are allowed to speak freely of “what Rome is going to change because it fits our theology so much better” – and then of course, it never happens! Why can’t they stick to just helping people do liturgy well as the rubrics recommend today, and stop worrying about the things Rome might or might not change tomorrow?

Oh, it’s Sunday night - I should step off my soapbox for the night!