Where did YOU get your authority?

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And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, [3] 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
It seems to me that many of the lay apologists in Catholicism are teachers or evangelists. I recall that Jimmy Akin introduced himself to Jack Chick as an evangelist I believe.

Ok so very broad and undefined question. Are their guidelines for lay apologists or teachers within Catholicism? To what extent to they have the Catholic Churches authority?

I may follow up my question.

Thanks for any replies. It is a different topic I know.
Not setting a trap. I promise 😃
 
It seems to me that many of the lay apologists in Catholicism are teachers or evangelists. I recall that Jimmy Akin introduced himself to Jack Chick as an evangelist I believe.

Ok so very broad and undefined question. Are their guidelines for lay apologists or teachers within Catholicism? To what extent to they have the Catholic Churches authority?

I may follow up my question.

Thanks for any replies. It is a different topic I know.
Not setting a trap. I promise 😃
The Magesterium, which is the Pope and the bishops around him, are the true teachers of the faith. Jimmy Akin or anyone else can teach the faith, and in order to do so legitimately, they must listen to the bishop and not go against him.
 
If they hold any kind of teaching position, say at a university, the bishop has authority over them. If they have a ministry of any sort that distributes anything, the bishop has authority over them. If they are just walking around talking, then they are in the same position as a normal Catholic, under the Biship but not to the same level
 
Pardon me, but I find this rather ironic. A Protestant is asking Catholics where their authority comes from? Not to be mean or rude, because that is definitely not my intention (I’ve been a Protestant!) but isn’t that question backwards?

The Catholic Church received authority from Jesus Christ, then it passed to Peter, the 1st Pope, and then it passed to all the Popes that have followed under the Apostolic line from Peter. Today, that representative of Jesus is called Pope Benedict XVI. The Popes have the authority of Jesus, along with, as has already been mentioned, the Magesterium. Jesus promised, in the Gospels, that His church would stand for all time and here it is today. It’s called the Catholic Church.

The real question for Protestants, with all due respect, is where does your authority come from? It may, in some cases, originate from revolt against Apostolic authority, if the sect goes back that far, or it may have, lacking that, erupted from, basically, nothing. Not much of a “history”, but there it is. There are only a few Protestants sects that, so far as I know, have some origin the the church founded by Jesus Christ. The rest are offshoots of offshoots, it would appear, and have no Apostolic authority at all.
 
Hi Brian,

I think some may have misunderstood the spirit of your question, which I believe related to the posters on the Forums rather than the authority of the Church. You have noticed, it seems, that we are reasonably informed, and certainly willing to speak out!
We Catholic do tend to have understanding of the gospels and the faith, and all Christians are commissioned by Jesus to witness Him…

We Catholics do some of us research for our answers also, but we do have a natural tendency to wish to be informed in gospel matters and in matters of faith, and we are aware that if we don’t get things quite right our sisters and brothers will kindly let us know or balance out our posts. We active Catholic do usually have a good grounding in our faith, but there is a range of tendency from from conservative to more liberal amongst us.

Ordinary Catholics like me don’t have a certificate in teaching, just the love and will to reach out to our brothers and sisters who are seeking further insight.

Thank you for what is obviously a friendly and enquiring post! 🙂

God bless you, warmly, Trishie
 
Pardon me, but I find this rather ironic. A Protestant is asking Catholics where their authority comes from? Not to be mean or rude, because that is definitely not my intention (I’ve been a Protestant!) but isn’t that question backwards?

Interesting response. How could I have asked this question
Ok so very broad and undefined question. Are their guidelines for lay apologists or teachers within Catholicism? To what extent to they have the Catholic Churches authority?
 
The two statements about the bishop make sense of course. In reality, I cannot imagine the bishops pay much attention to the internet. Maybe they do? Maybe some more than others?
Let’s take the Catholics who write books like Mark Shea, Karl Keating, and others…Scott Hahn. I suppose they check with the bishop? I have never looked to see if any of the “popular” books have the seal of approval (cant remember name but you know what I mean).

Yes Trishie I do know quite about about the official argument if you will ex cathedra statements, catechism, councils etc. I am thinking more along the lines you talk about:thumbsup:
 
Brian I think she may have misunderstood the intention behind your question. I think she may be reacting to previous encounters rather than to your particular question. Please see my post above 🙂 Trishie
 
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Pardon me, but I find this rather ironic. A Protestant is asking Catholics where their authority comes from? Not to be mean or rude, because that is definitely not my intention (I’ve been a Protestant!) but isn’t that question backwards?

Interesting response. How could I have asked this question

in a way not to get this response?
Maybe I’m just dense (or just dense today) but Brian, I don’t understand your question.

All authority flows from Jesus, to Our Holy Father, and then, down through the clergy and to the laity. Lay teachers are chosen for their knowledge and ability to accurately teach.

My response was not intended to insult, and if you are insulted, I am sorry for that. But it may raise an interesting question all the same.
 
The two statements about the bishop make sense of course. In reality, I cannot imagine the bishops pay much attention to the internet. Maybe they do? Maybe some more than others?
Let’s take the Catholics who write books like Mark Shea, Karl Keating, and others…Scott Hahn. I suppose they check with the bishop? I have never looked to see if any of the “popular” books have the seal of approval (cant remember name but you know what I mean).

Yes Trishie I do know quite about about the official argument if you will ex cathedra statements, catechism, councils etc. I am thinking more along the lines you talk about:thumbsup:
Well, books used for teaching in schools and colleges do have to have the approvals, (called the ‘nihil obstat’ and the ‘imprimatur’).

Dr Hahn for one is a university professor, can’t imagine him NOT using his own books at least a bit in teaching his university courses (most profs in my experience will do so) so doubtless they will have the approvals.
 
The Magesterium, which is the Pope and the bishops around him, are the true teachers of the faith. Jimmy Akin or anyone else can teach the faith, and in order to do so legitimately, they must listen to the bishop and not go against him.
Can you show me what authority supports that notion? I didn’t see anything like that in Scripture so I’ll need to know where else it is written. I’m sort of made that way. I need to see where God is in the midst of something like that, I can’t just take man’s word for it if you know what I mean. After all, the Bible tells us not to take man’s word for it.
 
Can you show me what authority supports that notion? I didn’t see anything like that in Scripture so I’ll need to know where else it is written. I’m sort of made that way. I need to see where God is in the midst of something like that, I can’t just take man’s word for it if you know what I mean. After all, the Bible tells us not to take man’s word for it.
I think others can help out here a little, but basically Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven and said whatever you lose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. he said he is building his church upon peter, and throughout scripture peter always has the final say if there is a dispute. Jesus also gives authority to the apostles, to bind and lose, but we still see that the church is built on peter and he has the final say. bishops are directly descended spiritually from the apostles. the pope is the spiritual descendant of the pope because the reason Jesus instituted Peter in the first place was for a continuation and that the church would be lead in all truth. So this is where Jesus instituted the Pope and the Magesterium.
 
I think others can help out here a little, but basically Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven and said whatever you lose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. he said he is building his church upon peter, and throughout scripture peter always has the final say if there is a dispute. Jesus also gives authority to the apostles, to bind and lose, but we still see that the church is built on peter and he has the final say. bishops are directly descended spiritually from the apostles. the pope is the spiritual descendant of the pope because the reason Jesus instituted Peter in the first place was for a continuation and that the church would be lead in all truth. So this is where Jesus instituted the Pope and the Magesterium.
The church is not built on Peter the church is built on his confession. Christ said who do you say that I am. Peter said you are the messiah the son of GOD, to which Christ responds upon this rock I will build my church. The keys to the kingdom were the keys to open up the Gospel to everyone Jew and Gentile which we see Peter doing in Acts. Binding and loosing is the authority to bind someone to sin or loosen them from sin. This has deep Jewish roots and needs to be properly understood before using it in an argument.

PEACE
 
I think others can help out here a little, but basically Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven and said whatever you lose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. he said he is building his church upon peter, and throughout scripture peter always has the final say if there is a dispute. Jesus also gives authority to the apostles, to bind and lose, but we still see that the church is built on peter and he has the final say. bishops are directly descended spiritually from the apostles. the pope is the spiritual descendant of the pope because the reason Jesus instituted Peter in the first place was for a continuation and that the church would be lead in all truth. So this is where Jesus instituted the Pope and the Magesterium.
Let me see here; wrong, wrong, wrong and finally wrong. Jesus gave a leadership role of the Church to Peter, he did NOT found his Church upon Peter but rather upon himself. Check the Greek on Petros and Petras and you might see it there. Secondly Peter didn’t have the final say on everything and in fact Scripture tells us that Paul opposed him to his face on at least one occasion. Also, while you are learning Greek, check out what bind and loose means. Aww what the heck, I might as well be a nice guy and just tell you; they are literally legal terms. They have nothing to do with creating or denying truths. If you read the Acts of the Apostles (hence the name) you will see just exactly what the power of binding and loosing was that Jesus gave to the Apostles. And as far as pope goes, the is no basis whatsoever for it in Scripture. Paul was in Rome teaching and preaching about the same time that Peter was martyed there (about 25AD) and the funniest thing is that Paul never mentioned it once in his letters that Peter was the pope of Rome and was martyred there. Things that make you go hmmm…:confused:
 
Let me see here; wrong, wrong, wrong and finally wrong. Jesus gave a leadership role of the Church to Peter, he did NOT found his Church upon Peter but rather upon himself. Check the Greek on Petros and Petras and you might see it there. Secondly Peter didn’t have the final say on everything and in fact Scripture tells us that Paul opposed him to his face on at least one occasion. Also, while you are learning Greek, check out what bind and loose means. Aww what the heck, I might as well be a nice guy and just tell you; they are literally legal terms. They have nothing to do with creating or denying truths. If you read the Acts of the Apostles (hence the name) you will see just exactly what the power of binding and loosing was that Jesus gave to the Apostles. And as far as pope goes, the is no basis whatsoever for it in Scripture. Paul was in Rome teaching and preaching about the same time that Peter was martyed there (about 25AD) and the funniest thing is that Paul never mentioned it once in his letters that Peter was the pope of Rome and was martyred there. Things that make you go hmmm…:confused:
Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter, which means Rock. And Jesus said You are Rock and upon this Rock I will build my church. These biblical interpretation theatrics are the only way to deny the authority given to Peter by Christ and which justifies the whole universal or Catholic Church. Everyone accepted it until a few dissenters had to think up something else in order to justify their split from the Church.
 
Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter, which means Rock. And Jesus said You are Rock and upon this Rock I will build my church. These biblical interpretation theatrics are the only way to deny the authority given to Peter by Christ and which justifies the whole universal or Catholic Church. Everyone accepted it until a few dissenters had to think up something else in order to justify their split from the Church.
Please tell me that you are NOT a religious history teacher.:eek:
 
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