Where did YOU get your authority?

[wisdomseeker]

Jesus didn’t build your church either. He didn’t build an institution at all. The universal Church is not a denomination.

I hold to the Gospel, not an institution. The Church is the pillar of truth, not a denomination but the universal Church that Christ founded. Scripture is very clear on that.

the SS is very clear on that but you are not.

which Church is the Pillar of Truth? which Church teaches the Truth?

**St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

 

[SIA]

the SS is very clear on that but you are not.

which Church is the Pillar of Truth? which Church teaches the Truth?

**St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

Read it. Stop implying your will upon what you read and just read it. There is nothing there about an institution or denomination.

 

[SIA]

does it matter if you or EO dissagree? does it make it less True?

No it doesnt. because Truth cannot be hidden or undone.

if you got the Bible from the CC and you believe that the Bible is the True Book about Jesus, then you must admit that She is the Church built by Christ.

**St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

The Roman Catholic church is not the Church Christ founded. period.

 

[wisdomseeker]

The Roman Catholic church is not the Church Christ founded. period.

which one is it? answer it. i am interested to know your answer.

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St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

 

[SIA]

which one is it? answer it. i am interested to know your answer.

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St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

I told you already. His Church is not a denomination. All his followers who adhear to him is his Church. We are his bride.

 

[NFPgirl]

This thread is so far off the original topic, it is incredible.

I was reading each post but got tired of it. It got to a point where I began wanting to bang my head against the wall. :banghead: This is my summation of what the thread turned into:

“Show me the proof!”
“You can’t handle the proof!”
“My view is truth!”
“Where is that in the Bible?”
“Show me the Scripture?”
“Why do I have to show proof from Scripture?”
“Why shouldn’t you be able to show proof from Scripture?”
“Theatrics, theatrics!”
“Pillar and foundation!”
“Save the drama for your momma”
“I can’t believe you believe that!”
“Would you actually read the Scripture?”
“Is that your private interpretation?”
“You just listen to the institution and not the Holy Word of God!”
“You refuse to see the Truth that is the Roman Catholic Church!”
“What is your deal?”
“What is YOUR deal?”

Seriously people. Go back and read the first post, PLEASE! The original poster was asking where a Catholic gets his/her authority from with regard to teaching or evangelising. He wasn’t asking Catholics to question where Protestants get their authority for teaching, evangelisation or Scriptural interpretation. He wasn’t criticising Catholics for their belief in the Magisterium’s teachings with regard to doctrine, etc. He simply wanted to know where we as Catholics get authority for teaching and evangelisation. That’s it. It was a very simple question with a very simple answer and instead of people leaving it alone when someone answered it simply and correctly, others had to drag the thread down into Scripture slinging, derogatory and accusatory remarks, and insulting language. All I’m asking is that you remember your manners and be aware of what you’re saying before you hit the “submit reply” button. Be cognizant of what the original poster was saying and what his/her question was. This is something we should ALL do.

Above all, can we all be nice to each other? Seriously. If I catch anyone else being mean or rude or saying unkind things then they “no can haz cheezburgr.” npatrol:

Pax,
NFPgirl

 

[wisdomseeker]

I told you already. His Church is not a denomination. All his followers who adhear to him is his Church. We are his bride.

it doesnt matter who teaches what. right?

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St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

 

[look3467]

This thread is so far off the original topic, it is incredible.

I was reading each post but got tired of it. It got to a point where I began wanting to bang my head against the wall. :banghead: This is my summation of what the thread turned into:

“Show me the proof!”
“You can’t handle the proof!”
“My view is truth!”
“Where is that in the Bible?”
“Show me the Scripture?”
“Why do I have to show proof from Scripture?”
“Why shouldn’t you be able to show proof from Scripture?”
“Theatrics, theatrics!”
“Pillar and foundation!”
“Save the drama for your momma”
“I can’t believe you believe that!”
“Would you actually read the Scripture?”
“Is that your private interpretation?”
“You just listen to the institution and not the Holy Word of God!”
“You refuse to see the Truth that is the Roman Catholic Church!”
“What is your deal?”
“What is YOUR deal?”

Seriously people. Go back and read the first post, PLEASE! The original poster was asking where a Catholic gets his/her authority from with regard to teaching or evangelising. He wasn’t asking Catholics to question where Protestants get their authority for teaching, evangelisation or Scriptural interpretation. He wasn’t criticising Catholics for their belief in the Magisterium’s teachings with regard to doctrine, etc. He simply wanted to know where we as Catholics get authority for teaching and evangelisation. That’s it. It was a very simple question with a very simple answer and instead of people leaving it alone when someone answered it simply and correctly, others had to drag the thread down into Scripture slinging, derogatory and accusatory remarks, and insulting language. All I’m asking is that you remember your manners and be aware of what you’re saying before you hit the “submit reply” button. Be cognizant of what the original poster was saying and what his/her question was. This is something we should ALL do.

Above all, can we all be nice to each other? Seriously. If I catch anyone else being mean or rude or saying unkind things then they “no can haz cheezburgr.” npatrol:

Pax,
NFPgirl

I reference a scripture that describes what you said: Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Without form, void and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Unless light comes in the form of Godly knowledge as in (And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters) waters=people, we stand to remain in darkness.

The Opening title is a vehicle by which the Spirit of God moves upon the face of the waters to bring light where there is none.

Therefore, I believe in allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through us in the form of individual lights, some to a brighter degree to those who seek God.

The Holy Spirit prompts some to ask questions due to some information they read in these forums.

Let’s be compassionate and deal with the variety with the gentleness of the spirit of God.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[NFPgirl]

The Holy Spirit prompts some to ask questions due to some information they read in these forums.

Let’s be compassionate and deal with the variety with the gentleness of the spirit of God.

Peace>>>AJ

I totally agree that is the case for some people. Some people do have legitimate questions and I am not opposed to them asking them. I’m also not trying to be less than compassionate toward those individuals. I apologise to all if it seemed that way.

What I am trying to do is gently remind folks that we’re meant to stay on topic within a given thread. If someone has a question with regard to something they’ve read in a thread, they need to weigh whether or not what they’re about to post is relevant to the thread in question. If it is not relevant or doesn’t refer back to the original poster’s question or thought, then they need to start a new thread. I have seen mods tell people to get a thread back on track when it starts getting derailed. I know I’m not a mod or anything but I do like for people to play by the rules and be charitable when doing so. Slamming people by insulting them, insinuating that they’re going to hell/committing sins, name-calling, or purposefully using incendiary language to disagree with someone’s beliefs is NOT a charitable way to behave.

Honestly, I’m not a confrontational person in real life and consider myself to be nothing if not overly sensitive to the feelings of others, but I do get annoyed when people use their beliefs as an excuse to be rude to someone else or disregard the rules.

Again, I apologise if I have been rude, rough, or uncharitable in any way. I never meant to upset anyone or make anyone angry and so, to quote Puck in Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream:

“If we shadows have offended, think but this and all is mended: that you have but slumbered here while these visions did appear and this weak and idle theme no more yielding but a dream…and so good night unto you all. Give me your hands if we be friends and Robin shall restore amends.”

Pax,
NFPgirl

 

[SIA]

it doesnt matter who teaches what. right?
It DOES matter. That’s the whole point…

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St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…” **

 

[elvisman]

I told you already. His Church is not a denomination. All his followers who adhear to him is his Church. We are his bride.

Well, you got one thing right, SIA – the Catholic (Universal) Church is not a denomination. The part where you go off track is where you say you’re part of it – you’re not.
You’re part of a denomination – which is a break off sect from the Church that Jesus built.

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**If you really did adhere to him – you would truly believe in him and be obedient to him and his Church. **
After all – Jesus identifies his very self with his Church cannot be separated from it. (Acts 9:4-5)

 

[wisdomseeker]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wisdomseeker
it doesnt matter who teaches what. right?
It DOES matter. That’s the whole point…

Sia be honest with yourself. if the king of england forcefully broke away from the True Church because he wanted things to be done his way, you are on his side following henry s idea and not the True Church.

it is time for you to realize what you are really doing is supporting your king henry and his ways and not our Lord.

 

[look3467]

I totally agree that is the case for some people. Some people do have legitimate questions and I am not opposed to them asking them. I’m also not trying to be less than compassionate toward those individuals. I apologise to all if it seemed that way.

What I am trying to do is gently remind folks that we’re meant to stay on topic within a given thread. If someone has a question with regard to something they’ve read in a thread, they need to weigh whether or not what they’re about to post is relevant to the thread in question. If it is not relevant or doesn’t refer back to the original poster’s question or thought, then they need to start a new thread. I have seen mods tell people to get a thread back on track when it starts getting derailed. I know I’m not a mod or anything but I do like for people to play by the rules and be charitable when doing so. Slamming people by insulting them, insinuating that they’re going to hell/committing sins, name-calling, or purposefully using incendiary language to disagree with someone’s beliefs is NOT a charitable way to behave.

Honestly, I’m not a confrontational person in real life and consider myself to be nothing if not overly sensitive to the feelings of others, but I do get annoyed when people use their beliefs as an excuse to be rude to someone else or disregard the rules.

Again, I apologize if I have been rude, rough, or uncharitable in any way. I never meant to upset anyone or make anyone angry and so, to quote Puck in Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream:

“If we shadows have offended, think but this and all is mended: that you have but slumbered here while these visions did appear and this weak and idle theme no more yielding but a dream…and so good night unto you all. Give me your hands if we be friends and Robin shall restore amends.”

Pax,
NFPgirl

No need for an apology because like I said before, this is a place where we all can learn something that we had, but could not find an answer we could judge.

One reason why it is hard to stick to the OP is because there are many different views which beg understanding to some words, quotes or practices.

The Holy Spirit only, knows what is in the hearts of each individual and prompts to ask or vier off topic.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Eileen_T]

It seems to me that many of the lay apologists in Catholicism are teachers or evangelists. I recall that Jimmy Akin introduced himself to Jack Chick as an evangelist I believe.

Ok so very broad and undefined question. Are their guidelines for lay apologists or teachers within Catholicism? ** To what extent to they have the Catholic Churches authority?**

I may follow up my question.

Thanks for any replies. It is a different topic I know.
Not setting a trap. I promise

Pope Paul VI in his apostolic exhortation Evangelii Nuntiandi states,

“We wish to confirm once more that the task of evangelizing all people constitutes the essential mission of the Church. It is a task and mission which the vast and profound changes of present day society make all the more urgent. Evangelizing is in fact the grace and vocation proper to the Church, her deepest identity. She exists in order to evangelize. . .”

Pope John Paul lI called for a new evangelization and stated* the entire Church must come to embrace this calling and make it a normal part of Catholic life.*

THAT is where we lay Catholics get our authority. We are commissioned to go out and preach the Good News to those that need re-evangelizing and those who do not yet believe in Christ, and*** to give to everyone a reason for the hope that is in us.***

In the Exhortation Christifldeles Laici, John Paul II says,

“I spoke explicitly of the Church’s permanent mission of bringing the gospel to the multitudes. . . who as yet do not know Christ. . . and of the responsibility of the lay faithful in this regard. The mission ad gentes is incumbent upon the entire People of God. . . missionary activity which is carried out in a wide variety of ways, is the task of all the Christian faithful.” “Missionary activity is a matter for all Christians, for all dioceses, and parishes, Church institutions and associations.”