Where do atheists go when they die?

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jean8 said:
petey,
People who have rejected the One and Only son of God go to their eternal reward by choice.
See Eph.2:8-9

God bless,
jean8
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thats what the qoute means, i just like that song
 
Where do atheists go when they die?

They go before God to be judged…what happens after that is God’s domain…
 
Melchior said:
I don’t think we disagree as much as you think we do.
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I don’t think so either. 😉
Melchior said:
I firmly believe, for example, that a Protestant Christian who somehow manages to love Christ, repents of his sins and tries his hardest to follow him yet somehow managed to not get baptized I believe such a one is the most obvious candidate of baptism of desire. The desire to be in Christ specifically they are just wrong about baptism. The good folks at the Salvation Army are perfect examples. They believe the sacraments ended with the NT era. Yet they most certainly seem to love the Lord even if they are woefully wrong. I believe God can make exceptions and that He likely does.
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The only thing here is that most Protestant Baptisms are valid. Aside from a few groups - such as Mormons - Protestants baptize using the Trinitarian formula and are baptized into the Catholic Church. Though Protestants might not think they are joining the Catholic Church, there is only one baptism and one Church and thus those who baptize do so into the one Church - the Catholic Church. Thus it isn’t a Baptism of Desire, but a true sacramental Baptism.

Don’t know much of the Salvation Army, other than they’re currently gearing up for another holiday bell ringing season.
Melchior said:
I do not believe any adult of full mental capacity, in almost all circumstances, will go through life without ever committing a mortal sin. Remember, Jesus said (my paraphrase) to think it is to do it. If a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultery in his heart. If he has ever coveted he has stolen. If he has hated his brother at anytime he has committed murder. How can anyone who has done any of these things, even just once, and has not had perfect contrition (hard to do if you are ignorant of God) be forgiven?

Don’t get me wrong. I believe in these three conditions. I am skeptical if anyone outside of Christ can meet them. In fact I cannot imagine anyone but the Holy Mother herself meeting them.
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If we look to the time before Christ, there are several who can be considered to have lived without mortal sin. Those in the Old Testament called righteous - men such as Job, Moses, Enoch, Elijah, etc. There might not have been many of them, but they certainly did exist. Also, the last of the Prophets, Saint Joseph and Saint John the Forerunner both can be considered to have lived without serious sin - and even though they lived during the time of Christ and with Him, they both died before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Church.

Can a person live a life without mortal sin - yes, but the odds don’t seem to be in our favor (due to concupiscence). It’s like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun - it might jam, but what odds!
Melchior said:
Yes but the danger, and the reality is an overemphasis on this becomes (and it has in practice) an excuse to not send missionaries and evangelize. Historically the church sent missionaries for the precise reason that those heathen souls needed saving because the chances of salvation were so slim for them as to make the church assume they were saving them from damnation. Missionary work form the Catholic Church is now more about charity than converting. That is not in line with the Church throughout the ages.

Plus, I don’t know that we can call the idea of invincible ignorance, no matter how true, to be an actual part of the Gospel In fact it quite clearly is not a part of the gospel. No apostles of church father or missionary before the 1960’s ever preached anything but Christ and him crucified to the unconverted. The gospel message is not “you might be saved in some manner other than the means God has given us”. That is not the good new. The Good News is that God became flesh, dwelt among us, died for our sins, rose again on the third day, will return and we mush repent, believe and be baptized for the remission of sins.
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What is needed is balance. One cannot overemphasis either side. On the one hand you have those who so overemphasize the so-called exceptions that it seems that everyone will go to heaven no matter what. And you have those who so downplay them and overemphasize the ordinary means without mention of anything else that it seems that unless you are a “good” Catholic - according to their notions - and are baptized at the hands of a cleric - you will burn in hell (absolute). What is needed is balance.

And I never heard of missionaries (even after the 1960’s) who went to the missions and proclaimed - this is the truth, but it doesn’t matter what you believe, you’ll go to heaven anyway. (maybe it’s good I never heard of such things). Those in the missions always proclaim Christ.

And also remember - just because some teaching or wording of a teaching aren’t to be found through all antiquity, doesn’t mean it’s not part of the Deposit of Faith. As time progresses, and the Holy Spirit continues to illumine the Church, many times that which was implicit becomes explicit - and the Church reformulates and rewords what has always been taught to be able to speak to each generation.
 
Not to draw from the discussion here. It really is wonderful and eye-opening.

But where do you suppose George Carlin is? He once professed a belief in Joe Pesci. While I doubt he meant it seriously, what if someone professes a belief in a living mere mortal?

And what about the CotFSM? Do parody religions count?

It’s sheer ignorance that drives me to ask these questions. I swear. I’m not purposefully making a farce of the topic.
 
Lisa44 said:
I know Mary ascended into Heaven. I think the saints do too but I’m not sure. No, I would think only Mary did. Because if you have any stains, or sins, then you would have to look at those. Mary was sinless therefore she would ascend straight to Heaven.

I’m just guessing.
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Im sorry but i have to correct something very important:

Our Mother did not ascend to Heaven of her own will but she was assumed to Heaven by God , both body and soul.

And as for the atheists, Jesus said that whoever rejects Him , " I will reject that person also before My Father…"

Most atheists had a knowledge of Jesus and Christianity but chose to reject Him doe to their self-centered reasons and confused minds.

Jesus stated also , " Human power is of no use at all…" So all their logics and theories are nothing but conspiracies and mockery of the Lord and something led by Satan.
Famous atheists are Galileo and Einstein. I wonder where they are now…

Let us pray for the atheists in our times and bring them back to Jesus heart. Amen.
 
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