Where do EC Church fit in RC Diocese

[PodunkMommy]

Hi:

We have several Eastern Catholic Churches in our Diocese and I was wondering where they fit in it? I know one of the Byzantine Churches in under the Patriarch in California but what I mean exactly is where do they fit in relation to our Roman Catholic Diocese?

I am asking this because a book came out about the history of our diocese and all the parishes and none of the Eastern Catholic parishes were in it. I was shocked. But should I be? When I go to the Eastern Catholic Parish websites, they direct me to a link in California.

(Believe me, there were other questions I had as well, like why Mission Churches that had been around for years were hardly mentioned while the newer parishes who now “controlled” them had much more information listed) I just don’t understand the dynamics of it all.

I am just confused as to how this is all set up.

Blessings.

 

[mardukm]

Dear sister PodunkMommy,

I may have something to do with the publisher, not with the local Church (unless the book came out under the auspices of the local Church)?

I recently came upon a large, hard-cover book at a local public library sale about the history of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and it contains a history of all the Traditions represented in the Archdiocese, including the Oriental and Eastern Churches, and their important contribution to the local Church as a whole.

Blessings,
Marduk

Hi:

We have several Eastern Catholic Churches in our Diocese and I was wondering where they fit in it? I know one of the Byzantine Churches in under the Patriarch in California but what I mean exactly is where do they fit in relation to our Roman Catholic Diocese?

I am asking this because a book came out about the history of our diocese and all the parishes and none of the Eastern Catholic parishes were in it. I was shocked. But should I be? When I go to the Eastern Catholic Parish websites, they direct me to a link in California.

(Believe me, there were other questions I had as well, like why Mission Churches that had been around for years were hardly mentioned while the newer parishes who now “controlled” them had much more information listed) I just don’t understand the dynamics of it all.

I am just confused as to how this is all set up.

Blessings.

 

[malphono]

We have several Eastern Catholic Churches in our Diocese and I was wondering where they fit in it? I know one of the Byzantine Churches in under the Patriarch in California but what I mean exactly is where do they fit in relation to our Roman Catholic Diocese?

I am asking this because a book came out about the history of our diocese and all the parishes and none of the Eastern Catholic parishes were in it. I was shocked. But should I be? When I go to the Eastern Catholic Parish websites, they direct me to a link in California.

(Believe me, there were other questions I had as well, like why Mission Churches that had been around for years were hardly mentioned while the newer parishes who now “controlled” them had much more information listed) I just don’t understand the dynamics of it all.

I am just confused as to how this is all set up.

Whether any Eastern/Oriental parishes would be listed in a history of a particular Latin diocese would depend on whether those parishes come under the jurisdiction of the Latin diocese. At one time (before dioceses (aka eparchies) were established in the US for Eastern & Oriental Churches), all such parishes would have, but at this point in time, with a respectable number of Eastern/Oriental dioceses in existence, very few are now under the jurisdiction of a Latin diocese.

I don’t know if that helps, but it’s the best I can come up with off-hand, especially with limited information.

 

[malphono]

I recently came upon a large, hard-cover book at a local public library sale about the history of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and it contains a history of all the Traditions represented in the Archdiocese, including the Oriental and Eastern Churches, and their important contribution to the local Church as a whole.

If that book was at a library sale, I would guess it was fairly dated. Any idea of when it was published? Just curious.

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Malphono,

Whether any Eastern/Oriental parishes would be listed in a history of a particular Latin diocese would depend on whether those parishes come under the jurisdiction of the Latin diocese. At one time (before dioceses (aka eparchies) were established in the US for Eastern & Oriental Churches), all such parishes would have, but at this point in time, with a respectable number of Eastern/Oriental dioceses in existence, very few are now under the jurisdiction of a Latin diocese.

That’s a good point to ponder.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Little_One0307]

Hi,

The Eastern Catholic Rites have their own juridical dioceses usually called an eparchy under an Eastern Rite Bishop.

So in histories that are dealing with Roman Catholic Churches the Eastern Churches are rarely if never mentioned at all.

Hope this helps.

Little One0307

 

[PodunkMommy]

If that book was at a library sale, I would guess it was fairly dated. Any idea of when it was published? Just curious.

The book came out in 2009 and I bought it as soon as it came out. I believe it came out from our diocese.

 

[PodunkMommy]

Hi,

The Eastern Catholic Rites have their own juridical dioceses usually called an eparchy under an Eastern Rite Bishop.

So in histories that are dealing with Roman Catholic Churches the Eastern Churches are rarely if never mentioned at all.

Hope this helps.

Little One0307

Yes, that’s what the Eastern Catholic Church links to, the Eparchy in California. That is their Eastern Catholic Bishop that they are under. I believe he then is under the Pope? I’m not really sure.

I guess I was caught off guard because I thought these Churches were part of our diocese but I guess they are not. Yet, when someone looks for a Catholic Church in a particular town, they can go to either Latin or Eastern Rite so it still baffles me why Eastern is not included. Now I will have to go to dioceseon website and see if these Eastern Catholic churches are included under parishes for people looking for a parish when they visit the area.

Blessings.

 

[Vico]

These hierarchies exist in the USA for Eastern Catholics all in communion with the Holy See:

USA Eastern Catholic Hierarchs

1. Ukrainian Greek CC:
   Metropolitan Archeparchy of Philadelphia, PA
   Eparchy of Stamford, CT
   Eparchy of Saint Nicholas of Chicago, IL
   Eparchy of Saint Josaphat in Parma, Ohio
2. Byzantine (Ruthenian) CC:
   Metropolitan Archeparchy of Pittsburgh, PA
   Eparchy of Passaic, New Jersey
   Eparchy of Parma, Ohio
   Eparchy of Holy Protection of Mary of Phoenix, AZ
3. Maronite CC:
   Eparchy of Saint Maron of Brooklyn, NY
   Eparchy of Our Lady of Lebanon of Los Angeles, CA
4. Melkite Greek CC:
   Eparchy of Newton, MA
5. Armenian CC:
   Eparchy of Our Lady of Nareg, New York (USA and Canada)
6. Chaldean CC:
   Eparchy of Saint Thomas the Apostle of Detroit, MI
   Eparchy of Saint Peter the Apostle of San Diego, CA
7. Romanian Greek CC:
   Eparchy of Saint George’s in Canton, Ohio
8. Syrian CC:
   Our Lady of Deliverance of Newark, New Jersey
9. Syro-Malabar CC:
   Eparchy of St Thomas of Chicago, IL
10. Syro-Malankara CC:
    Exarchy of United States of America (Hempstead, NY)

 

[5Loaves]

Yes, that’s what the Eastern Catholic Church links to, the Eparchy in California. That is their Eastern Catholic Bishop that they are under. I believe he then is under the Pope? I’m not really sure.

I guess I was caught off guard because I thought these Churches were part of our diocese but I guess they are not. Yet, when someone looks for a Catholic Church in a particular town, they can go to either Latin or Eastern Rite so it still baffles me why Eastern is not included. Now I will have to go to dioceseon website and see if these Eastern Catholic churches are included under parishes for people looking for a parish when they visit the area.

Blessings.

Did you find any listings?

The easiest way to find an EC/OC parish if at Find-A-Parish By Location or Find-A-Parish By Church.

In the Diocese of Oakland in our annual printed “Directory” of the Diocese at the back after all the Latin parishes are listed there is a page “Local Eastern Catholic Communities”. Thirteen EC/OC parishes and one monastery are listed there, extending across northern California. Only one of these falls within the physical boundaries of the Diocese, a Ge’ez mission in Berkeley.

I’ll have to look at the Archdiocese of SF “Directory” to see if or how EC/OC parishes are listed there. I don’t have one at home to check.

I doubt many people have a copy of the Diocese Directory though these are put out once a year for people to take and are free. On neither the Oakland Diocese website nor the SF Archdiocese website do I find the Directory available. (The SF Archdiocese “lists” parishes by markers on a map. I don’t know how a visually impaired person navigates that. I find it a very unhelpful method, in the absence of a straight print list of parish names and locations.

In North America Italo-Greek-Albanian Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Ethiopian & Eritrean (Ge’ez) Catholics, Russian Byzantine Catholics, and Syro-Malankara Catholics are part of diocese, or archdiocese of the Latin Church, only because we currently lack a hierarch, so we are under the canonical jurisdiction of a bishop of the Latin Church.

The other Eastern and Oriental Churches have their own ordinaries.

 

[Little_One0307]

Yes, that’s what the Eastern Catholic Church links to, the Eparchy in California. That is their Eastern Catholic Bishop that they are under. I believe he then is under the Pope? I’m not really sure.

I guess I was caught off guard because I thought these Churches were part of our diocese but I guess they are not. Yet, when someone looks for a Catholic Church in a particular town, they can go to either Latin or Eastern Rite so it still baffles me why Eastern is not included. Now I will have to go to dioceseon website and see if these Eastern Catholic churches are included under parishes for people looking for a parish when they visit the area.

Blessings.

Yes they are under the Pope. Under the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, the Pope has supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary authority in the Church, which he can always freely exercise.[18] The full description is under Title 3, Canons 42 to 54 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches.

Little One0307

 

[malphono]

Italo-Greek-Albanian Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Ethiopian & Eritrean (Ge’ez) Catholics, Russian Byzantine Catholics, and Syro-Malankara Catholics are part of diocese, or archdiocese of the Latin Church, only because we currently lack a hierarch, so we are under the canonical jurisdiction of a bishop of the Latin Church.

Just an FYI, for the past year or so, the Syro-Malankara now have an Exarchate in the US.

 

[mardukm]

Yes they are under the Pope. Under the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, the Pope has supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary authority in the Church, which he can always freely exercise.[18] The full description is under Title 3, Canons 42 to 54 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches.

Not exactly. Eastern and Oriental bishops of sui juris Churches that are not Patriarchates are the only ones under the omophor of the Pope, because the Pope is technically their Patriarch. Eastern and Oriental bishops of Patriarchal sui juris Churches are under the omophor of their Patriarch, not the Pope.

I am ambivalent about bishops in Major Archepiscopal sui juris Churches, since they are basically Patriarchates except for one exigency (i.e., the election of the major archbishop).

In all instances, if the office of Patriarch becomes impeded, and the Synod is also impeded from electing a new Patriarch, the Pope becomes by right the head bishop for those bishops.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Little_One0307]

Not exactly. Eastern and Oriental bishops of sui juris Churches that are not Patriarchates are the only ones under the omophor of the Pope, because the Pope is technically their Patriarch. Eastern and Oriental bishops of Patriarchal sui juris Churches are under the omophor of their Patriarch, not the Pope.

I am ambivalent about bishops in Major Archepiscopal sui juris Churches, since they are basically Patriarchates except for one exigency (i.e., the election of the major archbishop).

In all instances, if the office of Patriarch becomes impeded, and the Synod is also impeded from electing a new Patriarch, the Pope becomes by right the head bishop for those bishops.

Blessings,
Marduk

Marduk,

Thanks for the clarification. Their Codes of Canon Law can be quite confusing.

Little One0307

 

[CatholicLife]

Hi:

We have several Eastern Catholic Churches in our Diocese and I was wondering where they fit in it? I know one of the Byzantine Churches in under the Patriarch in California but what I mean exactly is where do they fit in relation to our Roman Catholic Diocese?

I am asking this because a book came out about the history of our diocese and all the parishes and none of the Eastern Catholic parishes were in it. I was shocked. But should I be? When I go to the Eastern Catholic Parish websites, they direct me to a link in California.

(Believe me, there were other questions I had as well, like why Mission Churches that had been around for years were hardly mentioned while the newer parishes who now “controlled” them had much more information listed) I just don’t understand the dynamics of it all.

I am just confused as to how this is all set up.

Blessings.

Do you live in Phoenix?

 

[Ignatius]

Hi:

We have several Eastern Catholic Churches in our Diocese and I was wondering where they fit in it? I know one of the Byzantine Churches in under the Patriarch in California but what I mean exactly is where do they fit in relation to our Roman Catholic Diocese?

I am asking this because a book came out about the history of our diocese and all the parishes and none of the Eastern Catholic parishes were in it. I was shocked. But should I be? When I go to the Eastern Catholic Parish websites, they direct me to a link in California.

(Believe me, there were other questions I had as well, like why Mission Churches that had been around for years were hardly mentioned while the newer parishes who now “controlled” them had much more information listed) I just don’t understand the dynamics of it all.

I am just confused as to how this is all set up.

Blessings.

The Eastern Catholic Churches are independent of any Roman Dioceses, they are under their own Canons and Laws (i.e. Sui Juris).

 

[5Loaves]

The Eastern Catholic Churches are independent of any Roman Dioceses…

Except for we who are currently under bishops of the Latin Church.

Just an FYI, for the past year or so, the Syro-Malankara now have an Exarchate in the US.
5Loaves;7874139:

In North America

Italo-Greek-Albanian Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Ethiopian & Eritrean (Ge’ez) Catholics, Russian Byzantine Catholics, and Syro-Malankara Catholics are part of diocese, or archdiocese of the Latin Church, only because we currently lack a hierarch, so we are under the canonical jurisdiction of a bishop of the Latin Church.

 

[Aramis]

Except for we who are currently under bishops of the Latin Church.

Even then, they are subject only to their own law, tho’ it is administered by a bishop trained in a different one.