Where do I belong Catholic or LDS

[zaffiroborant]

Cite your reference.

If you’re talking about Peterson’s recent Mormon Times article, if you actually read it, you’d know that he said no such thing.

Yes it’s the Mormon Times article and yes you’re right it doesn’t say that our understanding is the same, it says that Catholic theologians are coming around to the LDS understanding of the Trinity. This is still deceptive and shows Mr. Peterson’s lack of understanding of Catholic theology. Since his speciality is Islamic studies I can understand why he doesn’t have a firm grasp of “the social Trinity”, but it doesn’t excuse his misrepresenting that which he doesn’t understand. And it is rather ironic that Peterson claims Catholic theologians endorse this (as the end all be all) explanation of the Trinity while further in the article he says that the historical understanding is being shed by all but “creedal” Christendom. I see no evidence that Catholic teaching has changed on the Trinity, in spite of Peterson’s claims. And I’m a bit startled that Peterson would think that Catholics are not part of “creedal Christendom”.

Fortunately, there are contemporary Christian theologians, both Catholic and Protestant, who are attending more carefully to the biblical roots of Trinitarian doctrine and pruning away the dead branches of outdated Greek metaphysics that have long damaged its health. Many of these identify themselves with what has come to be called the “social model of the Trinity” or, simply, “social Trinitarianism.” According to this model, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are perfectly unified in love and purpose, wholly transparent and open to one another, inseparable but distinct centers of consciousness and personality.

While this isn’t quite the Latter-day Saint concept of a Godhead comprising three anthropomorphic beings, it’s considerably closer than the model worked out, under the influence of ancient pagan Middle Platonic ideas that have long since dropped out of fashion everywhere but in creedal Christendom, by the delegates to the Council of Nicea

The full article can be read here.

 

[stormy99]

Thank you for your prayers.

Marie5890 I’ll check out the RCIA site.

JeanetteKoron I know they do not believe in Holy Trinity and this another problem I have.I believe Jesus is God in the flesh.Then they hit me with why did he pray to the Father and why did the Father leave Him on the cross,but Jesus said he and his Father are one.I believe we can’t understand some things.They just are like the Trinity.If I make any sense.Never had any doubts till I started talking to the LDS.Still I believe in the Trinity.

**If you believe in the Trinity then Catholic is the way to go…LDS doesn’t truly believe in the Trinity as expressed in the Catholic Church.

I would go to a RCIA class and ask your questions…you will get a completely honest answer according to Catholic beliefs which will be in your book…they will never tell you will understand or learn that later…never…when they explain Mary you will get it all…not part of it.

I believe a religion that tells you everything you need to know upfront would be a front runner…this coming from a IPresbyterian…married to a Mormon, divorced and a Catholic convert.

atormy**

 

[zaffiroborant]

Since the OP is no longer engaged, I think this thread has run it’s course.

But we don’t know that the OP hasn’t just switched to “lurking” do we?

 

[KathleenGee]

I am seeing denial of Mormons about their own religion and making claims it is like ours.

It is not. They are adopting use of Catholic wordage…the parallels disappear.

Stormy is repeating the same experience I have heard of others who heard more doctrines after they were baptized…but were strong enough to exit.

They cannot define any actual event in Catholic history to show how the faith died…denying the presence of the Holy Spirit within Christianity, and their claims are so far out about the Jewish tribe in America, etc. Being nice doesn’t necessarily mean orthodoxy of belief.

 

[DocProto]

Yes it’s the Mormon Times article and yes you’re right it doesn’t say that our understanding is the same, it says that Catholic theologians are coming around to the LDS understanding of the Trinity. This is still deceptive and shows Mr. Peterson’s lack of understanding of Catholic theology.

I am unsure of where you are getting your information from, however it is clear from the article, specifically your included quote, that Peterson isn’t saying that “Catholic theologians are coming around to the LDS understanding of the Trinity.” In fact, Peterson states:

this isn’t quite the Latter-day Saint concept of a Godhead comprising three anthropomorphic beings

He also isn’t talking about “Catholic theology”. The “Social Trinitarianism” concept is not official Catholic theology, and in fact, I’ve read articles by Catholics condemning “Social Trinitarianism”, such as here.

Since his speciality is Islamic studies I can understand why he doesn’t have a firm grasp of “the social Trinity”, but it doesn’t excuse his misrepresenting that which he doesn’t understand. And it is rather ironic that Peterson claims Catholic theologians endorse this (as the end all be all) explanation of the Trinity while further in the article he says that the historical understanding is being shed by all but “creedal” Christendom.

Actually I see no irony here. What Peterson clearly states is that there are Catholic and Protestant theologians that embrace Social Trinitarianism, however quite obviously, the official beliefs of these churches still embraces the Nicaean definition.

I see no evidence that Catholic teaching has changed on the Trinity, in spite of Peterson’s claims. And I’m a bit startled that Peterson would think that Catholics are not part of “creedal Christendom”.

Where in the article did Peterson state that Catholic teaching has changed on the Trinity? Where in the article did Peterson state or imply that Catholics are not part of “creedal Christendom”? Again, if you actually read the article, it is clear that Peterson is talking about individual Catholic and Protestant theologians, and not a change in official beliefs of Catholic and Protestant churches. Peterson is talking about “contemporary Christian theologians” (and obviously not all of them), not official doctrinal changes. If one has read about Social Trinitarianism, one would know that there are contemporary Christian theologians (both Catholic and Protestant) that embrace or speculate on Social Trinitarianism, though this doesn’t mean a change in official doctrine, since theologians do not dictate what is doctrine.

You’ve misunderstood the article.