Where do Protestants go to service while on vacation?

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Sherlock:
Spokenword,

You wrote: “I would probably go to the same church Jesus went to. Where was that now?”

That would be a Jewish synagogue.
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Your right. My sister actually went to one of the synagogues. A women aproached here and asked can I help you .My sister said she was looking for Jesus. The women responded, There is no Jesus here.This is a true story. Today Jesus would not be in a synagogue. 😃
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Your right. My sister actually went to one of the synagogues. A women aproached here and asked can I help you .My sister said she was looking for Jesus. The women responded, There is no Jesus here.This is a true story. Today Jesus would not be in a synagogue. 😃
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So then, why would you prefer to go to a synagogue while on vacation? Why would you want to go somewhere where Jesus isn’t?
 
Spokenword,

You wrote: “Your right. My sister actually went to one of the synagogues. A women aproached here and asked can I help you .My sister said she was looking for Jesus. The women responded, There is no Jesus here.This is a true story. Today Jesus would not be in a synagogue.”

Of course the woman responded that way—Jews don’t accept Jesus as the promised Messiah.

And no, Jesus today would not be in a synagogue, as His coming was the fulfillment of the Old Covenant. Today, Jesus IS present—body, blood, soul and divinity—in every Catholic Church. The Church that He, the New Covenant, founded: “You are Peter, and upon this rock I shall build My Church”. But you didn’t ask where Jesus would be today, you asked, “I would probably go to the same church Jesus went to. Where was that now?” The synagogue is where Jesus went. The Catholic Church is where He is today.
 
:If the baptism is recognized as what Christ has done for us, why would anyone want to be re-baptized? :

The Protestants I had in mind, who agree that baptism is something by which Christ works in us rather than a testimony of our faith, would not rebaptize. Looking back at your post, I see that you were specifically speaking of Protestant members of your family, so I apologize for jumping on you the way you did. You used the word “Protestant” without any qualification, and I’ve been on a campaign for years now to persecute any Catholic who misuses the word “Protestant” in that way on an Internet message board! There’s a widespread habit on boards like this of speaking as if Protestantism in general was identical with fundamentalism, and I am doing all I can to wipe it out, or at least make people aware of how offensive this language is to Protestants who are not fundamentalist Baptists. But sometimes I’m too quick on the trigger . . . .

In Christ,

Edwin
 
Contarini,

Christianity is generally divided into three groups: Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant.

While I understand your not liking the term “Protestant” to include fundamentalists, they are indeed Protestants as they adhere to the Protestant doctrines of Sola Scriptura, private judgement, etc. It is there adherence to these doctrines that make them Protestant. I would never assume that fundamentalists represent all Protestants, however.
 
All I know is a few years ago I went on a business trip with a fellow from work. He had his wife with him so they rented a car. I was lucky because there was a Catholic Church within walking dustince of our motel. But they didn’t go to church. I didn’t ask even though because they had a car I thought they would have.
 
Contarini

Please enlighten me. What is your definition of a protestant and a fundamentalest? They all trace themselves back to the 1500’s and Luther, Calvin etc. With a little Symth and a few others thrown in for good luck. Before the 1500’s they were all Catholic. The reason they aren’t to day is because of a protest. Hence protester aka protestant. Just because they don’t all interpret the Bible the same doesn’t mean they aren’t all protesters of the Catholic Church?
 
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Sherlock:
Spokenword,

You wrote: “Your right. My sister actually went to one of the synagogues. A women aproached here and asked can I help you .My sister said she was looking for Jesus. The women responded, There is no Jesus here.This is a true story. Today Jesus would not be in a synagogue.”

Of course the woman responded that way—Jews don’t accept Jesus as the promised Messiah.

And no, Jesus today would not be in a synagogue, as His coming was the fulfillment of the Old Covenant. Today, Jesus IS present—body, blood, soul and divinity—in every Catholic Church. The Church that He, the New Covenant, founded: “You are Peter, and upon this rock I shall build My Church”. But you didn’t ask where Jesus would be today, you asked, “I would probably go to the same church Jesus went to. Where was that now?” The synagogue is where Jesus went. The Catholic Church is where He is today./QUOTE The church that Jesus goes to today is called Body of Christ. He now goes to the temple of each christian. He now dwells and lives in us. 👍
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Harland:
Contarini

Please enlighten me. What is your definition of a protestant and a fundamentalest? … Before the 1500’s they were all Catholic. The reason they aren’t to day is because of a protest. Hence protester aka protestant. Just because they don’t all interpret the Bible the same doesn’t mean they aren’t all protesters of the Catholic Church?
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Actually, “they” / “we” date back to Apostolic times. Paul vs. Apollos, vs. Cephas, etc. there has always been rancor and dissention in the church. Once the church had solidified its secular power, protesters were for years referred to as “barbeque” or heretics.

Even though Jan Hus predated Luther, et al, many don’t recognize his name. Poor fellow, he trusted the integrity of a papal writ of safe passage, then got burned at the stake.

It was an amazing confluence of politics, humanism, and mass communication which, when combined with many grievances and issues with Rome, led to the the durability of these protests over the prior.

It was never “one big happy” family, but the victors got to write the history books.

Most protestants view Sunday churchgoing the way catholics do. Baptists actually go to church on Wednesdays too… go figger.
 
I usually do the slash thing. I call them evangelical/fundamentalists protestants because not all evangelicals are fundamentalists…some fundamentalists take exception to the idea of being called evangelical. I understand what the different terms mean as that is the camp I came out of it but others on the outside looking in the differences might look kind of murky. A protestant is a protestant is a protestant to them…and while technically a fundamentalist is a Protestant ( as in ‘not Catholic’) they actually separated other Protestant groups in ‘protest’ of the drift into modernism. So if you want to get pendantic and detailed they regard themselves as Protestant protestants… 😛

dream wanderer
 
Spokenword,

You wrote: “The church that Jesus goes to today is called Body of Christ. He now goes to the temple of each christian. He now dwells and lives in us.”

It is true that we are temples, if you will, of the Holy Spirit, and that Christ dwells within us. However, the Church that Christ founded was not only an invisible one. When Jesus tells how to resolve disputes, note that we are to take our grievance to the Church, after first trying other means: first, we try to work it out privately with the individual who has sinned against us, and if that doesn’t work, we go to step number two, which is to take our case before some witnesses. If that doesn’t work, we go to the Church (step three). Now, if your interpretation of “church” is correct (abstract, not concrete), then it seems to me that step number two (taking it to some witnesses) IS taking it to the church. How is step two different from the final step three?
 
First, you haven’t answered my question. Why aren’t fundamentalests protestant. Heretics tought thing like Jesus Christ was not the Son of God. We still have that today in the JWs. Are you saying Jesus isn’t the Son of God? They tought Jesus wasn’t both God and Man. Are you saying Jesus isn’t the both God and Man? Again that is what the WJs teach. Are you a Jahova’s Witness?

What bible do you use? All bibles I am aware of are derived from the Catholic Canon. If you trace your church back to the Apostolec times you must have a competeing canon. If the Catholic Church is in heresy as you claim the bible must also be heretical.

Can you give me proof of this line dating back to the Apostolic time?
 
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Harland:
First, you haven’t answered my question. Why aren’t fundamentalests protestant. Heretics tought thing like Jesus Christ was not the Son of God. We still have that today in the JWs. Are you saying Jesus isn’t the Son of God? They tought Jesus wasn’t both God and Man. Are you saying Jesus isn’t the both God and Man? Again that is what the WJs teach. Are you a Jahova’s Witness?

What bible do you use? All bibles I am aware of are derived from the Catholic Canon. If you trace your church back to the Apostolec times you must have a competeing canon. If the Catholic Church is in heresy as you claim the bible must also be heretical.

Can you give me proof of this line dating back to the Apostolic time?
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#1 most folks don’t consider JWs to be “Christians” so that’s not a big deal. Protestantism is a big, big spectrum but JWs, Mormons to name a few fall outside it

#2 I’m not sure what you’re trying to assert about the “Catholic Canon” but putting together a list is very different than authorship. Most modern Bibles are the result of incredibly detailed analysis and comparison of all sort of sources and texts. None of the texts are “catholic” texts, many New Testament sources are actually from churches / traditions which fall into the “Orthodox” world. The Old Testament sources predate the Christian church.

Do you really think the Catholic church holds a copyright on the Bible? All modern day Christian churches have roots in the Orthodox / Roman traditions, but the books and texts are another matter.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Your right. My sister actually went to one of the synagogues. A women aproached here and asked can I help you .My sister said she was looking for Jesus. The women responded, There is no Jesus here.This is a true story. Today Jesus would not be in a synagogue. 😃
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That is Christian Charity in action.😦 I’ll bet your sister made a lot of points. That is an example of how to convert the Jews. By insulting them.

I hope your sister is proud of her self.
 
Harland, I agree. This was a stupid way to evangelize, if you could even grace it by that name. I would call it picking a fight, which may be fine on an Internet forum or some other setting, but is offensive in such a setting.

I could do the same in a Protestant service: when they’re passing out the bread and grape juice, I could say, “Hey! Where’s Jesus?”

How Not To Witness Your Faith: Exhibit #1…
 
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Sherlock:
Harland, I agree. This was a stupid way to evangelize, if you could even grace it by that name. I would call it picking a fight, which may be fine on an Internet forum or some other setting, but is offensive in such a setting.

I could do the same in a Protestant service: when they’re passing out the bread and grape juice, I could say, “Hey! Where’s Jesus?”

How Not To Witness Your Faith: Exhibit #1…
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My sister is one of those who would give away all she owns to help the less fortunate. She loves stopping in and visiting many of the churches she sees. She didnt know it was a Jewish temple.,because she is so nieve[sometimes i think soft]. Who in thier right mentality would do something like that. But I must admitt you and harland are quick to judge.Thats why God says do not judge least you be judged. :eek:
 
She didn’t know it was a Jewish temple? She didn’t notice the menorrah, or the Star of David anywhere? You mean she just goes in to any old place, asking where Jesus is? You’d better hope she doesn’t go into a mosque and do that, or she’ll get her head lopped off.

You wrote: “My sister is one of those who would give away all she owns to help the less fortunate.”

Hmmm…there are lots of less fortunate around anywhere one looks, so does your sister still own anything?

I wasn’t questioning her generosity, I’m questioning her wisdom in evangelizing like that. It’s offensive to do that in a place of worship. As for “not judging”—we are not to judge persons. We are most certainly called to judge actions, otherwise how else are we to instruct and correct, as Paul directs? Aren’t we supposed to try to strighten others out when they sin, or are we supposed to be silent? How are we to encourage good acts, if we can’t judge them to be good?
 
My question still hasn’t been answered. Why aren’t fundamentalists protestant? You said fundamentalists originated from Paul. That means fundamentalism paralleled Catholicism, Paul to Fundamentalism, Jesus to Catholicism. You said the early Church classified fundamentalists as heretics?

Then I gave 2 examples of the heresies the early Church fought. Jesus isn’t God and Jesus isn’t both God and man. If you aren’t a JW or LDS you should recognize these as going against Christian doctrine aka heresies. If I understand you correctly these aren’t heresies because you said or implied that people that promulgated these teachings were actually fundamentalists. If fundamentalism actual originated with Paul as you implied can you furnish proof?

The implication is if fundamentalists aren’t heretics (you said the Church called them heretics) that must make Catholics the heretics. Because the bible Christians use, even the KJV comes from the bible the Catholic Church Canonized that makes these bibles heretical because how can a heretical Church Canonize a valid Bible. That means somewhere there is a valid Canon. By process of elimination you must have it. Why are you keeping it secrete??

You need to study the history of the bible. It is a Catholic book. The Catholic Church, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, through the councils decided what books should and shoudn’t be in the bilbe. As I said. Unless you church has a differant Bible.
 
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Sherlock:
She didn’t know it was a Jewish temple? She didn’t notice the menorrah, or the Star of David anywhere? You mean she just goes in to any old place, asking where Jesus is? You’d better hope she doesn’t go into a mosque and do that, or she’ll get her head lopped off.

You wrote: “My sister is one of those who would give away all she owns to help the less fortunate.”

Hmmm…there are lots of less fortunate around anywhere one looks, so does your sister still own anything?

I wasn’t questioning her generosity, I’m questioning her wisdom in evangelizing like that. It’s offensive to do that in a place of worship. As for “not judging”—we are not to judge persons. We are most certainly called to judge actions, otherwise how else are we to instruct and correct, as Paul directs? Aren’t we supposed to try to strighten others out when they sin, or are we supposed to be silent? How are we to encourage good acts, if we can’t judge them to be good?
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Who said she was evangelizing? Your assumptions are incorrect for some who is full of wisdom. :confused:
 
Spokenword,

If I am wrong in my assumptions, then please tell me exactly how and where I’m wrong.

Based on what you have said, I think it entirely reasonable to think that a Christian going into a Jewish synagogue, as your sister has done, is a form of very poor evangelizing. My only other option is to think of your sister as an utterly stupid fool, completely oblivious to the world around her. Since I don’t want to think that of your sister, I can only think that she, and perhaps you, are completely ignorant of the usual social norms, by which we manage to survive. I’ll be honest: I would have no rational means of advancing any proposition, Christianity or otherwise, based in your rationality as shown in the posts here so far. Spokenword, I don’t know what you believe in, and I doubt you could give a good argument for anything you believe in—from the posts I’ve read, I guess that it’s safe to say that you believe (how daring of you) in Nice Things. Beyond that nice feeling, I see no attempt at reason. You think I’m being harsh—I just wonder where objective truth lies. Is Truth always nice, easy, fluffy, and easy to explain?

Give me proof.
 
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