Where do souls of non-Christian go after they die?

[steve-b]

So for instance, when one knows the Church’s position on a particular teaching, but uses her teaching to promote false ideas?
Does 1791 apply to that person?
I am just curious.

It pays to use valid and solid sources. That’s why I quote copiously, and provide the sources properly referenced that I use…

 

[goout]

Accurate information is always good, especially when one’s personal conclusions align with the Church’s.

 

[steve-b]

Accurate information is always good, especially when one’s personal conclusions align with the Church’s.

AND

one’s personal conclusions should ALWAYS be backed up by “properly referenced” references of the Church.

 

[goout]

You mean like this following exchange?

steve-b:

If they are baptized AND are given the truth, and refuse to believe, they are THEN by definition guilty of heresy.

http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=634895&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=

Also:

CCC 818 However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."

Tell me Steve, is the bolded part of your statement a quote from a magisterial source, or is that your personal conclusion?

And tell us again how 1791 might apply here.

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

If they are baptized AND are given the truth, and refuse to believe, they are THEN by definition guilty of heresy.

Tell me Steve, is the bolded part of your statement a quote from a magisterial source, or is that your personal conclusion?

Does paraphrasing the CCC qualify in your mind for that?

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. " Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."

1. baptism is necessary
2. obstinate post baptismal denial of truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith
3. or obstinate doubt of the same

OH​

Just in case you want to make an issue over "divine and catholic faith" in that definition, I’ve already posted the following answer to you. HERE . As in the difference between objective/material heresy vs formal heresy regarding non-Catholics.

Colin is explaining that CCC paragraph https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm

 

[goout]

It’s good that you post references. It’s not good that you assume the heretical guilt of groups of people by your personal conclusion.
Steve, was the section I bolded above a magisterial statement, or your personal conclusion?

Can you answer this simple question for yourself without dancing out of your shoes?

 

[steve-b]

It’s good that you post references. It’s not good that you assume the heretical guilt of groups of people by your personal conclusion.
Steve, was the section I bolded above a magisterial statement, or your personal conclusion?

Can you answer this simple question for yourself without dancing out of your shoes?

My sources already answered you.