Where do the JWs get their history from?

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“Through God’s intercession, our beloved German Fatherland has experienced a mighty exaltation. In this turning point in history we hear, as faithful evangelical Christians, the call of God to a closing of ranks and a return, the call also for a single German Evangelical Church … The Confessions are its unalterable basis … A national bishop of the Lutheran confession stands at its head … Christ comes again and brings an eternal completion in the majesty of His Kingdom.”

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abucs said:
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Allow me abucs…

We must remember that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian. After Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him. Even the famous Albert Einstein testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said:

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks…

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
 
BibleSteve said:
“IN THIS decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer [Hitler].”—The Catholic bishops of Germany, as quoted in The New York Times, September 25, 1939.
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How dose that make jw’s the true Church?
There are things we could look up about Watchtower that sounds bad also. In fact my experience is one that I am sure you rather I not menchon anymore on this forum.

I think the point is that HISTORY BY FAR favors the Catholic Church, and for a jw to say otherwise would be to twist history…indeed you would have 2000 years of twisting to do.
 
excaliber said:
How dose that make jw’s the true Church?
There are things we could look up about Watchtower that sounds bad also. In fact my experience is one that I am sure you rather I not menchon anymore on this forum.

I think the point is that HISTORY BY FAR favors the Catholic Church, and for a jw to say otherwise would be to twist history…indeed you would have 2000 years of twisting to do.
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Why is world War 2 being focused on the JW’s? This is absurd! There were thousands of Catholics murdered and millions of Jews murdered. To start talking **** about the pope is ridiculous, because anti-Catholics need someone to blame…get your stats straight or shut up.
 
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they get the whole “catholics in cahoots with hitler” from the idea that the pope was in league with him since the vatican was the first (even before russia) state to sign a treaty with hitler. the pope did make some mistakes during the war also, through his silence. much of it can be found in the documentary and book “Hitler’s Pope”. i do NOT ascribe to the ideas put forth in the book, but it reflects much of that view. also, give James Carrol’s “Constantine’s Sword” a look.
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After doing some research I have learned that Carrol retracted his owns words and basically said that he was wrong in many claims he had made in his book.
Then you have the book “The Myth of Hitler’s Pope” written by Rabbi David Dalin you alo have Rychlaks book “Hitler the War and the Pope” which clearly both say many truths on this issue. They are not catholic so what would be their gain for writing these books?

Now back to my op I understand that jw’s were also killed and in no way am I minimizing that.
But from my research you have IBRS wanting to be allies with Hitler am I wrong in this there is a open letter stating such on the internet. I just think that JWs reach for absurdities whereever they can to make a point.
 
Persecution…it never ends. There is always a few religions or different ethnic groups of people always being persecuted, since the beginning of time, and I see no end in it soon. Even now, the most persecuted and discriminated of all, most likely to become the worst holocaust ever committed in the history of man, is the of the murder of innocents, the unborn, estimated at over 250 million. What a “sign of the times.”

As for the JW’s and their history, I am not sure where they get it from. I guess like others, they pick the things they like about christianity and make it their own, leaving the rest of the “Truth” on the bookshelf collecting dust.

My understanding is that the “One Church,” founded by Christ, lasted for 15 centuries before people started to split off into their own sects. Again, the Reformation had a lot to do with it. I am no historian, but this is what I have heard and read.Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

“Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings; for it is well that the heart be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited their adherents.” Heb 13:7
 
QuietTimes said:
After doing some research I have learned that Carrol retracted his owns words and basically said that he was wrong in many claims he had made in his book.
Then you have the book “The Myth of Hitler’s Pope” written by Rabbi David Dalin you alo have Rychlaks book “Hitler the War and the Pope” which clearly both say many truths on this issue. They are not catholic so what would be their gain for writing these books?

Now back to my op I understand that jw’s were also killed and in no way am I minimizing that.
But from my research you have IBRS wanting to be allies with Hitler am I wrong in this there is a open letter stating such on the internet. I just think that JWs reach for absurdities whereever they can to make a point.
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Another great book…Pope Fiction By Patrick Madrid

Not related to the topic, but definately a great read for misconceptions on The Papacy and it’s role in Christianity.
 
BibleSteve said:
“IN THIS decisive hour we admonish our Catholic soldiers to do their duty in obedience to the Fuehrer [Hitler].”—The Catholic bishops of Germany, as quoted in The New York Times, September 25, 1939.
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Pope PIUS XI and his German Bishops issue an encyclical condemning Nazism Sept. 27 1937. I have searched the archives in the online Times and have not been able to find your article. I think I would have to see the quote especially since they already had condemned Nazism.

I heard in a speech that the first to be killed by the Nazis were the mentally and physically handicapped. I did a Google on Catholic Hitler Nazi what came up was anti-catholic sites not worth looking at.
 
QuietTimes said:
So a Jw came to my door about 20 minutes ago and as we wer talking I told her to read John 6 and she politely said she would but she started getting upset with me when I told her that they don’t have the fullness of the truth I did not even stae what religion I am. She said I have my truth and she has hers. I told her then we both cant be right, truth does not change, at this point she wanted to leave but I kept her attention very nicely and also told her that New Light is not truth because if it was then your doctrine would never change from time to time or when certain proclaimed truth didnt come forth. I also told her Jesus Christ is Lord at this point she said I am very convicted in what I believe and I said yes I am but it not just about that it is also about the fact that even history sees things for what they are and does not distort truth, people can have opinions and pass them off as truth but real truth is what it is. At the end she was so upset she was shaking and just started letting me know that the Nazi’s along with the Jews and Catholics persecuted all of the JW’s. I just laughed and said I didn’t know they had the time. She said to go to the library and do research that it was all there. :rolleyes: So like I said where do they get their history from?
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One thing you must remember about JWs – they BELIEVE what they read in Watchtower publications. Most of them completely overlook the way the Watchtower organization takes quotations out of context, omits references, and even alters quotes.

For example, right now there is an article on the watchtower.org web site that contains many quotations supposedly from the early Church fathers that are taken completely out of context. To see a good critique of this article that exposes the deceitful use of words of our early Saints, see:
catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/antenicene.html

If the authors of Watchtower publications do not fear to twist the words of St. Justyn Martyr or St. Clement of Alexandria, why should we believe that they would worry about accuracy in reporting the words or actions of a modern-day religious leader?

Lest anyone believe that I think the Watchtower folk are original in this regard, I find that they mostly quote as sources very obscure works from the 19th and early 20th century. In this way, they believe that people will not find out the truth about their “sources”.

Unlike most articles that cite references, the Watchtower and its publications generally omit specific reference information even on modern works.

If I had submitted any paper in a college English class that used the sloppy or nonexistent references of a typical Watchtower publication, I would have flunked.

So, in answer to the topic question, Jehovah’s Witnesses get their history from their organization. Their organization starts with an agenda and cuts/pastes partial truths and actual falsehood to create a history that is mostly manufactured.

Google 607 B.C. Jerusalem if you want a good example…

Pax,

Ruth
 
Trust me I know their tatics and you know the funny but sad thing is when I finally was done and semi closing the door thats when she tells me that catholics and nazis were in this together. I asked her where she learned such nonsense and she said " its everywhere, everybody knows, just go to the library" I just was like you guys have permission to go to the library? Like I said the more I read about this the more I uncover and it is not what they think or told to think.
 
Like I said, if you google:

Catholic Hitler Nazi

and actually review the first 2 pages of links, you will see plenty of pictures for yourself.
 
BibleSteve said:
Like I said, if you google:

Catholic Hitler Nazi

and actually review the first 2 pages of links, you will see plenty of pictures for yourself.
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They list a picture of Ludwig Muller one of the two links calls him a Catholic the other just list him as bishop.

He was not Catholic but protestant
The sites are anti-catholic and so they do not place anything in perspective but give their own interpretation. Some of the pictures for instance, that they say our salutes look like blessings to me. That priest or nuns would be in a picture with a nazi proves nothing. Considering that they lie to try to prove something says much about them and nothing about the Catholic Church. As I said before
Pope PIUS XI and his German Bishops issue an encyclical condemning Nazism Sept. 27 1937.
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I know of no other faith that did so at that time.
 
BibleSteve said:
You’d get a much more accurate search with:

Jehovah Hitler Nazi
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What is the point?
Even judas did not make God abandon ALL the apostles…even if you find more
judas’s in history what dose it prove?

I would like steve to show us a strong historical case that proves jw’s…not just nit pick at human imperfection in the Church Jesus established.

I guess you have to start in the 1800’s…and you have to start with C.T. Russel.
Starting with C.T.Russel will destroy your case before it starts however.

He steve is there a internet site where jw’s are open to discuss anything jw, just like the catholics have?

If not why in your oppinion is that?
 
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