Where do we get the idea that contraception is bad?

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Did the Church speak for Jesus when they claimed the earth was flat, permitted the torturing and enslavement of all pagans, lied to the public about the sex abuse scandals to save their own skin, etc.?
  1. The Church has never defined the earth being flat a part of the faith. And the Church is funded much of the research and science behind answering the question.
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  3. Did anyone in the Church declare that this was okay or acceptable to do? Did they define as dogma that lying about sex abuse is part of the faith?
All you are doing is desperately trying to undermine the authority of the Church by bringing up some bad actions/sins by the members of the Church. Doesn’t work that way. Nice try though.

The answer to the question which you avoided was “yes”. Jesus said blatantly that the Church speaks for Him. And the Church has spoken.
 
Eating cheesecake corrupts the appetite, too. Cheesecake isnt necessary and its eaten strictly for the sake of pleasure (like lust), yet that is perfectly fine. Double standard.
How does eating cheesecake “corrupt” the appetite? It may sate the appetite, but the appetite is not corrupted.

Eating to the point of gluttony is corrupting the appetite. Having a slice of cheesecake does not. Having too many slices of cheesecake does.

Your example fails.
 
“He who hears you, hears Me”.

Is that explicit enough?
Even though it is claimed that the Catholic Church cannot change anything, and it is claimed that it hasnt in 2000 years. So why are they condemning contraception now when Jesus/God never did? As far as Im aware, they cant just start making stuff up, right?
 
  1. The Church has never defined the earth being flat a part of the faith. And the Church is funded much of the research and science behind answering the question.
See: Galileo.
See: Dum Diversas.
  1. Did anyone in the Church declare that this was okay or acceptable to do? Did they define as dogma that lying about sex abuse is part of the faith?
The poor judgement shown in handling the cases of abuse, and by poor judgement I mean flat out lying, that demonstrates the lack of discernment/truthfullness the Church has. If they cant get it right about that, how can they be trusted to get it right about nitpicky, less serious stuff like Contraception?
 
Eating cheesecake corrupts the appetite, too. Cheesecake isnt necessary and its eaten strictly for the sake of pleasure (like lust), yet that is perfectly fine. Double standard.
:confused: There does not appear to be any connection to the matter under debate. Is this post attempted humour??
 
But the Church has NO PROBLEM with avoiding pregnancy (as a general rule). It even speaks of a positive obligation to responsible parenthood, the reasonable need for spacing births, and so on.

The Church teaches that the ‘wrong’ of contraception lies in corrupting the conjugal act, not the Intention of avoiding a pregnancy. The Condom corrupts the act. NFP “denies” the couple the act if the couple wish to avoid pregnancy - but does not change the conjugal act at all.
The above post answers the charge by another poster that NFP and a condom are morally the same because they both seek to avoid pregnancy. It makes clear that their common intention is not the basis of the Church objection to contraception. The Church objects to the means employed in contraception.
 
But the Church has NO PROBLEM with avoiding pregnancy (as a general rule). It even speaks of a positive obligation to responsible parenthood, the reasonable need for spacing births, and so on.

The Church teaches that the ‘wrong’ of contraception lies in corrupting the conjugal act, not the Intention of avoiding a pregnancy. The Condom corrupts the act. NFP “denies” the couple the act if the couple wish to avoid pregnancy - but does not change the conjugal act at all.
 
:confused: There does not appear to be any connection to the matter under debate. Is this post attempted humour??
The same logic applies.

Contraception is no more or less corruption of natural acts than eating cheesecake is.
 
…Explicit condemnation from Jesus and/or a Commandment from God. Obscure passages interpreted by imperfect human beings isnt compelling.
A statement from God or by Jesus (in the Bible) in opposition to a Church teaching would meet with your approval, but the several there where Jesus grants teaching authority about the road to heaven…those you reject? What need of Church do you have?
 
Even though it is claimed that the Catholic Church cannot change anything, and it is claimed that it hasnt in 2000 years. So why are they condemning contraception now when Jesus/God never did? As far as Im aware, they cant just start making stuff up, right?
Is it conceivable that God established the Church to continue his teaching ministry?

Jesus said: “He who hears you hears me”.
 
The same logic applies.

Contraception is no more or less corruption of natural acts than eating cheesecake is.
There is no valid comparison. There is no corruption in consuming cheesecake. It is consumed and digested, subjected to the same processes as an apple or a prune.

Slap on a condom, and the nature of the act is changed. The one-flesh union is absent.
 
How does wearing a condom during sex with one’s spouse “corrupt the conjugal act?”
Because a condom (and all artificial birth control) actively works against the life.

Jews have always believe that “spilling the seed” was sinful. In regards to a condom, that is exactly what is happening, the seed is being spilled and wasted. A potential life is being wasted.

While the pill is making the mother’s womb a place that is not safe for the potential child.

NFP on the other hand is ok because it is not doing anything that is harmful or against life. You are simply abstaining from sex, which does not harm nor kill the sperm cells nor eggs. All birth control either kills sperm cells, kills eggs, or kills babies. The key is, they all kill.
 
That SonOfMan describes himself as “unsure” about what religion he is seems ironic for he is not merely unsure but quite ignorant of who Jesus of Nazareth is, why He took a human nature, of the reality of His miracles, the foundation of his Church and the miracles which He worked.

Of course he is also unfamiliar with reality of the miracles at Lourdes and the miracles of the sun at Fatima, as well as the miracles of many saints authenticated by doctors, all proclaiming the truth of Christ’s Church.

Perhaps he is in the position of some who were rank skeptics – as in the case of Rationalist Society in England who assigned one of its anti-Catholic journalist members, Sherwood Taylor, to write a book attacking the Church over Galileo. “After studying the case, Taylor was converted and received into the Catholic Church – grace sometimes works in strange ways!” The Six Days of Creation, Br Thomas Mary Sennott, Ravengate 1984, p 186]

Darwin’s bulldog, Thomas Huxley, “went to Rome and examined the Case, a little more thoroughly than the average humanist, probably intending to use it in his ongoing controversy with the Anglican bishop, Samuel Wilberforce. In a letter written to Mivart in 1885 he concluded, rather disappointedly, I presume – ‘I looked into the matter when I was in Italy and I arrived at the conclusion that the Pope and the College of Cardinals had rather the best of it.’ ”
[Arthur Koestler, *The Sleepwalkers, MacMillan, 1959, p 353; cited in The Six Days of Creation, Br Thomas Mary Sennott, Ravengate, 1984, p185-6].

He doesn’t seem to know that the great figures of the heyday of scientific discovery—including Copernicus, Descartes, Galileo, Newton, and Kepler—actively professed their absolute faith in a Creator God, whose work incorporated rational rules awaiting their discovery. Far from being a rejection of religion, the “Scientific Revolution” was led mostly by deeply religious men acting on religious motivations.

Galileo picked a very inopportune time to attack the Bible after the revolt of Luther and Luther’s public rejection of some of Sacred Scripture; he was publicly disrespectful; he was wrong in his interpretation of the Bible, and he was wrong in his physics. He was not found guilty of heresy, but as suspected of heresy by the review of Cardinals. The popes promoted astronomical research, and there was no Papal or Conciliar declaration of heresy.

How could anyone misconstruing such realities expect to know anything about the evils of contraception?
 
The 6th Commandment is “Thou shall not murder.” How is wearing a condom during sex murder? :confused:
The 6th Commandment is “Thou shall not commit adultery” by the traditional Catholic reckoning (which is what is used in the Catechism). “Thou shall not murder” is the 5th Commandment under that numbering scheme.
You mean the same Bible that took the time to create an exhaustive laundry list of foods to condemn, such as eating pork and shellfish and other nitpick rules, but never took the time to just add in one more important rule about contracepion being bad?
You’re confusing the issue here. Yes, the Old Testament went into all manner of detail on certain things. But only a leap in logic would take us from that to the idea that the Bible must therefore list every single moral rule in exact detail. Do you really expect that the biblical authors would give a detailed list of every conceivable future moral quandary? So they should have talked about things like in vitro fertilization and human cloning? Why do you think this is necessary? Do you recognize how long that list would be?

Contrary to popular perception, the Bible is not fundamentally about providing us with a list of dos and don’ts. It is a Revelation of a Person. Or, more accurately, three Persons. The Bible is there to help us know God, not to provide us with the answer to every question so that we never have to think through anything for ourselves.
 
A statement from God or by Jesus (in the Bible) in opposition to a Church teaching would meet with your approval, but the several there where Jesus grants teaching authority about the road to heaven…those you reject? What need of Church do you have?
The Church’s role is to uphold Jesus’ teachings, not create new ones out of thin air.
 
The Bible is there to help us know God, not to provide us with the answer to every question so that we never have to think through anything for ourselves.
If you put it that way, me thinking for myself, I conclude that contraception is not immoral.
 
Because a condom (and all artificial birth control) actively works against the life.
So does living a celibate life. So does NFP. 🤷
Jews have always believe that “spilling the seed” was sinful. In regards to a condom, that is exactly what is happening, the seed is being spilled and wasted. A potential life is being wasted.
Are nocturnal emissions evil?
NFP on the other hand is ok because it is not doing anything that is harmful or against life.
People can use NFP to refrain from creating a new life. How is that not against life?
 
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