Hey Mike,
Heh, actually I’ve heard of that thing before, but I let it pass since I’m tired of the same thing said about it. I think they know by now which is the real Church, but they still continually ignore it, which is nothing we can about if they still blissfully go along their way.Hey Mike,
Come off it…you guys can claim any blessed thing you want but the historical evidence is only there if you ignore all the writings of the ECF. You must figure that Miliardo just fell off the turnip truck last night (with less than 200 posts…) to feed him that one.
Late middle ages my aching backside! And I suppose that you’re the new Pope?
I sure can’t tell from the myriad of winds of doctrines blowing around you guys for the last 487 years and the constant badgering attacks from all your “brothers and sisters”.
LOL!! hahaha that is the best picture ive ever seen on a post. where did you get it??
So your church serves about 4% of the 100k people around? Have you ever heard of the Archbishops Catholic Appeal in the Portland Archdiocese Here? The work under the same banner too and they get a lot of stuff done, they have no problem raising the money or manpower. The thing I love about the CC helping eachother out is that its really helping itself out, not “eachother” because that implies a sense of separation. The way I hear it with prots is that anyone can pull out of the deal at any time because it is “not a forced unity”, when that should never be the case, there should be one mother Church and if anyone wants to have it their way, then the mother Church has the authority to send them away with their tail between their legs.
This is a concept foreign to Prots, slapping you hands on someone doesnt equal valid ordination. Those people had to get their authority from somewhere. Thats why the father’s Blessing on his children is so important. It is a physical act of empowering his children the with graces he holds as a man blessed by God with such special gifts. The father’s Blessing is one of the oldest acts in the Bible, it was so important and yet modern day groups shrug it off as a “symbol”. A child cant go up to someone on the street and receive the father’s Blessing because that guy on the street is a nobody and doesnt have the authority as their father given to him by God. Ordination is not a graduation ceremony with cake and punch at the end. It is serious business, you nor I can ordain anyone we feel like ordaining. The few pages in Timothy and Titus dont give nearly the required amount of information and training one needs to be ordained, most of what they learned they learned first hand with authorized people like Paul standing right beside them.
He is speaking directly to Timothy and not to us, the task of preserving the gospel was not committed to our trust, but to a few, like Paul. Then Paul indicates this trust is now being extended to Timothy, and not to every yahoo who picks up a Bible. He specifically says that the average joe picking up a Bible and teaching what they think it says is wrong.
A unified name is everything, thats why the Jews were the Jews and didnt go by different names for the same chosen people. Second of all it isnt as simple as you make it, words are nothing when at the end of the day if they go home and turn into each man for himself. Im not saying that Prots are way off base, they are closer to the truth of the Gospel than any other religion is.
Do you know how much happened between the solas and creeds? That is exactly why the evangelical position is so weak, its pick and chose and in the end there is a large chunk of the puzzle left incomplete. Chunks of writings, teachings, history, etc are all left out leaving each man to finish the puzzle as he himself sees fit. Its the same mentality that many prots have where it reduces down to the Bible fell out of the sky one day and here we are, instead of understanding how it came about and realizing how the truth prevails when properly guided through history, through good times and bad that history is key to understanding why you believe something now.
There is truth to this, we both are out to proclaim the Gospel, however it isnt every man or church for themself. Also you need to realize that the word Church is singular, and that it is a physical entity and not a city in the clouds. In 1Tim3:15 it is called the pillar of Truth. There is only one truth but if we were to shop around prot churches we would find that there exist many contradicting versions of the Truth which is very wrong.
The term Protestant in its simplest definition is someone who protests against what the original Church teaches. You dont need to define a term for non-evangelicals, one already exists those that protest the evangelical position are now called “ProtoEvangelicals” (it a joke, get it?). Its kind of hard to say that you are unified when you just claimed that you only accept a few points from a few councils, when we claim to keep all points of each council, see the difference. As for that book, you said he is a Calvinist AND Armenian. I dont see how he can be both there should be one name that works, unless you are talking about him being from the country Armenia and believe what Calvin said.
Let’s not lose sight of a critical point – the Catholic Church is NOT what the laity vote for, or what individuals want it to be. The Church is the ultimate authority, and those who disagree with it must either reconcile themselves to the Magisterium, leave, or be hypocrites.
Those number mean nothing.
Railing against Protestants is not called for, but certainly it is germane to point out that there is division in the Church because the Protestant principle of private judgement in matters of faith and morals has taken hold. More than that, the loyalty to Christ that we find among Protestants is not to be found among liberals, who say that one reilgion is as good as another, and that religious truth is illusory. So the Reformation enterprise, which was to increase faith, has ended in a general skepticism, at least toward Christian claims. So we seen an abandonment of
Yes CM. But let’s really call it like it is. The Catholic Church **is **unity. The infallible doctrines are taught by the Church as absolute truth–guaranteed by the Holy Spirit. Those Catholics who disagree with any infallible doctrine of the Church, are not really Catholics! They may not know it, but they have automatically ex-communicated themselves as heretics.
Michael,
I agree with you both, however, regardless of how many views there are out there, there is but one Church authority that teaches. I seriously doubt that all the 36,000+ denominations get together (maybe in a council) and define Christian Doctrine for the world.
Dead on Dude!!!
First of all, that was just uncharitable. I don’t think anyone here would try to come away from a Protestant service and say that there is nothing there because they are not in full unity with Christ. As well, I can assure you that many Catholics worship with a real desire for Christ.
Another bunk notion. It depends more on how large the community is. Our community isn’t that large, and we do have sense of family in our parish. Large parishes would be quite unwieldy though, as many who go there aren’t from the community, but are transients.
No, it’s not disdain, but rather because guys like you come here with much disdain for Catholics as well. Well–you get what you ask for, really. It’s not because of Biblical association, but because of the attitudes some Protestants have against Catholics.